branding, content, and creating your own luck

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Hello, hello. Thanks for listening to Guidance Counselor 2.0. Listen, I want to give you a quick rundown of what this podcast is and what you're about to get into as you listen to these episodes. We had Guidance Counselors in middle school. We had Guidance Counselors in high school, but we didn't really have Guidance Counselors in college and now as professionals, we don't really have anybody to turn to to ask a quick question to learn something about the job search or to navigate your career. So that is what I want this podcast to be for you. I want it to be a tool for you to navigate the job search and your career.

So that being said, I hope you enjoy this episode. And if you need to reach me, Taylor at vaco.com is how to get in touch with me old fashioned email social media at t s and t d e s s e y n. And finally, please rate and review this in the app store because I want this to be discoverable for others so they can navigate their careers. enjoy the episode. Let's go ahead and dive in this morning. Christina, give the people what they want. Who are you? What do you do? And we'll go from there. Awesome. Thanks so much for having me. And thanks for the show as well.

I send a lot of my mentees in career development to your show. So thanks a lot for this. Yeah. Thank you. My name is Christina Aldon. I'm a brand strategy consultant based in Las Vegas. I'm a speaker, a trainer, and a mentor as well. I'm a student to be author. That's pretty exciting. And I work in tech. I mostly work pretty much as a fractional CML, pretty much small companies, individuals who can't really afford a full-time chief marketing officer. I can come in and build that role for them in a part-time basis. I love that. I love that. Before we dive into topics, I do want to give a shout to everybody tuning in this morning Erica Ivan Trey.

Sammy is great. See you. Alyssa Bradley Haley. What's going on? Good morning. Scott RJ Abdas Chris John Javan Riley. It's great to see you man and Cabello and Kaitlyn. Man, we got that we got the crew out today. Yeah, I got a list. Oh, and then Steve is great. See you buddy. All right. So let's dive into it. So, so the few topics that we kind of went over off air right personal brand emotional intelligence. the emotional intelligence and obviously we're going to talk about conferences right Christina speaks out a lot of conferences as well and they are they're different to navigate so Christina we're we're we want to kick it off at I've never done this I've never asked to guess where they want to start off oh that's cool that's cool I like it when things kind of go my way it's brilliant let's talk about let's talk about personal branding because personal branding I think is applicable to a lot of people.

If you're not looking for work and also if you are looking for work, one of the best things piece of advice that I love that Taylor always says is start networking now when you aren't looking for work. That's the key right there. The thing about it is your personal brand is already out there. You already have a personal brand. if you're engaging in it or not, that's another story. You could be known, your personal brand might be known as the quiet person who sticks to themselves over there in the corner, and I don't really know what they do. You know? That's still a personal brand.

And so I always encourage people, even if you are an introvert, to take control of that conversation, to control what is being said and how as much as possible. And you can do that by creating content and networking. And that's really what you are a big proponent of. That's worked for you really well. Yeah. And I want to go into the reason why I do it, which is so funny that you brought it up. And I don't know if you did that because you've heard things I said, but I'm an introvert. And I people are like, yeah, whatever, Taylor. Listen, I don't know if anybody's on TikTok.

I am. And by the way, I just started a Twitter space for us as well. So if you guys are watching and you have to leave because you can't watch a video, hop onto my Twitter. I am streaming this on Twitter spaces. But one of the reasons why I started content and putting myself out there is because I'm a social sprinter. Yeah. I learned that term from Elise Myers on TikTok. She's probably one of my favorite content creators right now. And she called it social sprinting. And it's so true, I'm really good in about 30 minutes kind of increments. So let's dive in. I mean, obviously a lot of people who are watching, who will watch, are obviously gonna be introverts, in the software space.

Let's face it. I mean, there's a reason why software engineers are not salesmen. Right, so talk about your thoughts about putting out content to be introvert. You really, I also am an introvert surprisingly because I need to recharge. I'll go up, I just got back from Amsterdam and Poland. conferences are opening up again, 2000 people at Devox, Poland, 400 online, speaking in front of warm bodies again, it's really great. At the same time, you get all those people into one room and they're all, all eyes on me. I take a nap for like three days afterwards. It's a lot for me. So I like that term sprinting.

But you know what you can do what I do is I get in front of the maximum number of people at once That I that I can and and share my message which for me is always going to be wrapped around emotional intelligence and leadership And but what we can also do is we can write things like do a 600 word blog post or article I guess they're called on LinkedIn, right? That's an introverted kind of thing where you can go in and reply to the comments at your leisure as you want. Maybe you just even go in afterwards and hit a like right now and then and that's introverted enough and you're still getting you know a little bit of information out there.

Other things you can do is you can mentor others as a networking tool. I've been a mentor for a long time. So you can mentor others and they suddenly become brand ambassadors for you right? So I hear people a lot, they say, I'm really good one-on-one and I don't get nervous and it's okay one-on-one but then when I'm in front of multiple people, it's hard. Well, you know, you could do like an experience share. Mentorship is just about sharing your experiences. You have experience negotiating a raise. You have experience transitioning careers. You have experience writing a talk. You know, some kind of an experience, knowledge share.

And if you do that one on one with a few people here and there who are extroverts, it could be really helpful for you. Right. Absolutely. It's your personal brand. Yeah. Absolutely. I think I think I think two, and I want to drive this home as well, is talking about introverts and finding a job. So talk about in your experience why it's so important for job seekers to put out content on the internet right now. Yeah, you know, there are two things and that's how people are interacting with your brand and you at your current experience because I see this all the time at conferences, people will travel and go, hey, how is it over at Company X?

And they'll be like, oh God, Company X is awful. It's this and it's this and it's not this and I don't want this and I don't want this. And I'll tell you what, dude, I do not want you sitting at the desk next to me at my company. I'm not going to recommend you. I'm not going to refer you. If you can't manage, you know, those emotions in a way that is still going to be proactive. Listen, I'm not happy here. What I'm looking for is this. Here's what I'm working toward. That's a different kind of story that you're telling, right? And so that's important, how you're engaging with people.

Also, like I I said, you already have a brand. So if you are known as the team lead, who loves to launch on Fridays and then scream and rant and rave at everybody all weekend long, that's your personal brand. Right, right. And you really got to think about how you're walking through life right now and who might be seeing you. I love that. Even if you're an introvert, how you are, how you work, that is what you're communicating about your personal brand. And so that's important. Are you helpful to people? Are you dismissive to people? Are you impatient? All of those kinds of things. And here's the real kicker that is kind of tough when you hire me for consulting or coaching, is that my whole thing is that how we do one thing is how we do anything.

And so if you're grumpy and impatient at work, the chances are you're probably being that way with the people who you love the most at home too, right? And calling out some people right there. And I think a lot of people hear this word content creation. And listen, I'm tired of the word content. Like for the word I do and I'm tired of it. I will tell you this, branding content creation. You know what all that is, y'all? You know what all it's just reputation. It's just your reputation. You're gonna manage it. Yeah, what are you known for, right? And I think, and so I'll kind of push back a little bit on you, Christina, on this thing.

not push back. But like, so let's say I'm the grumpy gills. That was at the conference that you talked to. Sure. Sure. But you follow me and you know that I'm a generally happy person. Yeah. You're going to naturally give me kind of, Oh, Taylor's having a bad day. Correct. Right. Because there's already, there's already, there's already report, you know, I had a really difficult time. The rug was completely ripped out from under me about four years ago in my life. And I had to, you know, kind of bring in my resources. and quiet down and do a bit of healing and restructure and organize my company.

In fact, I rolled my book of business over into a run of software. I used to be LG designs for lucky girl designs. And so I did a lot of shifts and changes. And because my brand was so solid, because it was not part of my brand to drop the ball or to have brain fog or you know as I dealt with this tremendous just unbearable grief, my clients, my vendors, my colleagues, everybody was so much more forgiving and allowing and tolerant of my behaviors and recognized okay she's got something that's come up, she just needs some time. And it was really really helpful for me because I built a solid brand over the years of consistency.

of integrity of always showing up. I love that. So Joel is a master on LinkedIn from a content creator, and he actually says, he goes, hi, all, what's content? And I'm glad he asked that, right? Because I think Kristi and I are definitely talking in the clouds a little bit. So let's go a little bit more practical. Content is just thoughts, things, pictures, videos that you are going to put out on the internet across all social media platforms in some way, shape, before. Typically, when it comes to content, and again, we're not going to dive too much into this, but really at the end of the day, this is why I tell people, we're all comfortable on Facebook posting about our weekend trip with our family on Instagram.

We always post this beautiful play to food that was set in front of us on Twitter. We complain to companies that have slow services. Yeah, I don't know why we don't flip that entire script and post everything about our perfect not everything, but post more about our professional lives, that's the thing that's going to move the needle, not posting. Now, there's nothing wrong posting family picks, don't get me wrong. But what I'm saying is, is you need to get that more comfortable. Christine, I didn't know if you wanted to find content in your own words. You know, defining everything's content. It's funny because at one point, when hashtags first came out, one of my friends who's a social media marketer, we used to speak in hashtags.

We'd be like, hashtag this hashtag that. And she'd like, It's all content, baby. It's all content. Yes. And so, you know, whatever you're putting out there is content. You're putting something out there that is content. So put stuff out there that is going to make you look favorable to companies that you want to hire. Put stuff out there that is going to make you look favorable as a team leader. And you don't have to have the title team leader. You can lead from within. You can be a supporter and that's being a leader. So I get chills whenever I have a good thought or you say something good and I love what you just said and I want to expound it a little bit.

You don't have to be a leader in an organization to put out content around leadership and I will tell you this. If you stay consistent around putting out leadership content even though you're not a leader, I'm not going to promise. I would almost promise that you will become a leader and an official leader within your organization. Yeah, there's there's no way you cannot do something every single day and get better at it. So are you getting better at complaining? Are you getting better at, you know, blogging? Are you getting better at podcasting? All you have to do is pick one or two things. That's it.

People think that they have to be on all the platforms. Oh, TikTok and YouTube. No, pick one or two things and just spread a consistent message on there about how you work, what it's like. So people can kind of paint that picture about what it's like to work with you. Yep, I love it. All right, so halfway through I knew this would happen and we even started a few minutes early. So let's go on to the next thing about emotional intelligence. Oh, Deb comes in real quick. What if we're not allowed to share much of our work with the public? It's hard to make content on topical topics if we cannot talk about the tech we're working with.

Absolutely. Yeah, that's a really good comment and I talked to technologists about that all the time. You can still talk about basic fundamental things. How I got into my career. Here are some fundamental, there are always newbies. I think this is what people forget. Technologists who've been in for a while, right, you're far removed from the initial learning curve that you learned about a specific stack or a specific, right? And so I think I saw one of your interviewees, your podcast host was talking about how they wrote an article like nine years ago or something. And it's all in. He works at Smile Direct as a front end engineer.

And he wrote like, I think he said the simplest thing. And it's still like number one in the place he wrote. And so he's known as the person who helped people with that, right? And so it can be as simple as that. Think about those types of things, or even what it was like a little bit personally to navigate office politics or what it was like to go back into the office, stuff like that. Tiny little moments that you see you navigate every day now, but initially early on, you You know, those things you can share, you're allowed to share those. And Deb, I will say this, I think you're looking a little too narrow right now in terms of just like the tech you're working on.

I would say talk about Deb. Talk about Deb. Talk about yourself. Hey, what are you struggling with? Hey, you know, what are you seeing in the market? Hey, what are some topics that you want to learn in tech, right? Do your top three, you just saw from a conference or a webinar. Yeah, you know, actually I put this out the other day. And I'm interested in your thoughts Christine. And then we'll move on, because I definitely want to get to the other two topics, but I knew this would happen with you and I. But basically, if you want to create content and you're in a position at your company where you can't like talk about your stuff, go and create and summarize other people's presentations and vlogs.

So the reason why I said that, there was one girl who tagged me, I did a LinkedIn session with Danny Thompson, the great Danny Thompson. And that was the start of COVID, it was in 2020. Literally she summarized it in a tweet thread and it got like 900 likes and like a good gazillion engagements. All she did was summarize our conversation. Yeah. I love it. I love it when I get off of the stage, right? I've just delivered a keynote. I've just delivered a workshop and I get off stage and I see my words that have come back to me on Twitter. You know, I'm not going to get to retweet.

I will always retweet. If anyone summarizes anything. But the best compliment for me. It's the best compliment ever. Yeah, absolutely. Somebody listened. Yeah. All right, so let's move on. Deb, hopefully answer your question. If you have any more problems with that, shoot me, DM, or Christina will both help. So the next time I talk about emotional intelligence, so you're really big on this. Obviously, we could devote probably 16 weeks about emotional intelligence. We're going to talk about in five minutes. So general thoughts around emotional intelligence. Emotional intelligence is broken down into four parts. It's awareness of self and that's always the first step. It's always the number one thing.

You gotta be able to look in the mirror first before you can manage anything else around you. So awareness of self, awareness of others, management of self and management of others. So it's really how we're walking in the world, how we're interacting. There are 26 different facets of those four categories. So we're talking about communication, integrity. We're talking about having an accurate self-assessment which I'm historically horrible at. I could be bombing this right now, I have no idea. And so, you know, those things are important in emotional intelligence. And if you just pick one of those facets for three months and say, all right, for three months, I'm gonna work on this.

You'd be really surprised about how the things around you start to unfold just because you've decided to improve your communication for three months become a student of communication, become a student of integrity, become a student of giving back to the community, your mentorship or how you're volunteering your time. I think one of the, I listened to one leadership podcast called the leadership lean-in and it was crazy that the guy who I listened to, his name's Chad Veach and he said, and this really struck me and honestly I've wrestled with it. I think I've only asked my wife that once since the podcast, because I have such a problem with it, is he said, when's the last time that you are completely vulnerable with somebody and goes, what can I improve on?

Where am I weak? Where am I blind spots? And he goes, and he goes, you need to ask somebody who obviously knows you very intimately. He goes, your wife, your partner, your spouse, boyfriend, boyfriend, even maybe a manager, coworkers work you a long time. He goes, when's the last time you asked that? And I was listening, I was like, oh shit. Yeah. Great, I was like, I've never asked somebody that. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah. And so I would challenge everybody who's listening to this now, reach out to somebody who you trust, who can be totally vulnerable with you. Well, and we have that in our relationship with, you know, my Jay and I established at very early is that, you know, don't ask the question if you're not going to be ready for the truth and prepared for the truth.

And sometimes even when we're in arguments, you know, and it'll come out and he'll be, It seems like something, no, I don't want it to. It seems like really, and I'm like, I just don't know how to express it without being a total jerk right now, right? It's gonna come out ugly. And he's like, all right, let's hear it. Let's bring it. Let's do it. That's awesome. Have that over and literally. You have to have somebody in your life where you have that kind of relationship with. I have a couple of trusted friends as well. We're really great. And a therapist, I think everybody should be a therapy.

So my therapist really helps me with that too. I love that. I love that. Just, Justin comes in and goes, what are some articles slash tools to work on emotional intelligence? Oh my gosh, you know, I have the attention span of a NAT, my favorite is emotional intelligence 2.0. I love that because it's a book that breaks down each of the 26 facets. It gives you a quiz at the end and says, all right, you need to go back to chapter three. Here are some things that you can work on to improve your communication. You can go back six months later, take the test. You can like pay another $30 six months later after that to see if you've, you know, improved your integrity part or your, your, like whatever part of emotional intelligence.

So I really love that book. There are also a lot of online resources that are free that are around that book as well. I love that, I love that. And then Alyssa comes in and goes, I feel like you have to ask someone who has also skinned the game and has a capacity to be, yeah, yeah, listen. Absolutely. Yeah, I'm not saying go out and like talk to a stranger about it. Yeah. And to get a full review of who you are as a person, that person's got to know you pretty intimately. You're going to probably do that pretty intimately as well. But I mean, I think it's so true.

I think, you know, in this market right now, the job search market, I mean, I talk about this all the time, I think deploying emotional intelligence in the interview a lot, right? I try to go everything back to the interview process because I think, I think there's a lot of terms that we as society throw out that can be extremely applicable. So for example, if you're running up against a dead end time and time again, having the mental awareness, having the emotional intelligence, you know what, maybe I'm interviewing for a role that I shouldn't have right now in my career. Well, and the research, the research tells us, right, that anybody who is given, when you talk to tech hiring managers, which I do a lot, because I have a lot of mentees and I'm always kind of scouting for hiring managers.

So, you know, when I talk to a lot of hiring managers, given a technologist who has the same stack, who has the same skills, even the one who might have the little bit lesser skills, if they're emotional intelligence society, they're the ones getting the job because it is so expensive. It's so much more expensive to have to deal with issues that the drama queen is gonna handle, right? And present to the company. Nobody wants to deal with that. 100% and again, so we're going to move on to the last topic. But and and and emotional tell just out that was really quick. If you have any more questions, please reach out to Christina.

And that is her kind of passion. Yeah, as long as everybody's 30 free minutes of consulting. If I think there you go, all the listeners. There you go. If you need to work on your EQ hit up Christina. All right, so last thing. Conferences. So we're back. I'm headed to Jacksonville next week. Then I got a little block two weeks. And then we got Casey DC. You go into Casey DC? No, I'm not. I'm going to go. I miss you Casey DC. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Code Palooza. Be there delivering the keynote. Are you going to be? You know, I met my J at Code Palooza because all the speakers would come in and do the bourbon tour before.

Yes. And so that's where we met. So conferences, they have this ecosystem around them that really holds a special place in my heart. And lucky for me, you know, I'm on the human skills woman. So I'm I don't go to any specific technology. I don't stick to any one form or stack, right? So I hang out at the Java conferences and the .NET conferences and everywhere. All of it. Same. I mean, you both. Yeah. So, so how can people get so so let's say, So most people aren't as lucky as we are that can probably go to all these conferences. If somebody has one conference on their list this year, whether it's AC, DC, whether it's you know, render this past year or whatever, what's some good tangible pieces of advice?

Because I've talked about it, but I've never actually talked about it with another guest. Oh yeah, you know, I love first of all when people come up after the talk, even if you're nervous and even if you don't know what to say just to say good talk because I'm a speaker and I can pretty much take it from there. Once somebody says, hey great talk, thanks, then I can kind of start the conversation a little bit. And you know maybe there are some things that we can work on offline. Most speakers will offer you some free time. Like I just offered 30 minutes free consulting here.

Most speakers will do that, right? They'll say let's join a different group if there's a really hard problem that you're having, something like that. But oftentimes it will like even go for lunch or we'll go hang out in the hallway and just sit and work on some stuff. So that's one thing is like just go up to the speaker and say hey like your talk even if you don't have specific points or you're too nervous. That's one thing. Another thing is to choose one or two people. I like to choose maybe two people and kind of be their wing person, right? And so you find somebody who either is a speaker or a attendee who's been around for a bit and you can go, hey, you know, you have plans for dinner.

I don't have any. I want to hang out. And you don't have to do all the things. I don't do all the things. Yeah, and I want to stop you for a second. It's overwhelming to do well. I'm giving you permission. Yes. Because I'm telling you, like when I started my career out at these conferences, I would go to every talk. I would go to every dinner. I would go to every breakfast and holy crap. I basically work myself sick. Yeah. You get burnt out. It's so much giving and so much energy and brain power. And so unless your brain has, you know, I do a talk about memory performance and brain performance.

Unless your brain has the ability to go into a little bit of a change of brainwave frequency, you're just going to get completely overstimulated and overwhelmed. And so to hang out with one or two people and then just make a couple of touch points throughout the conference, you don't have to stick to them like glue. That's awkward, right? But then also don't make one touch point and then disappear for the rest of the conference. While they never invited me or they didn't do the thing or they didn't. Well, they're probably overstimulated too. So just be persistent. Lots of times there's a Slack group, lots of times there's a Twitter group chat, a WhatsApp group chat for the conference.

And so, you know, just kind of get in on some of that. That's really helpful as well. And then like I said, the hallway track, if you are going to decide to like find a corner in the hallway be consistent with that corner the whole conference. I like that. I like that. So the whole conference that's what I do in that way when people come around the corner on their way back to the hotel because they're going down the hallway like hey I saw you here again. Oh yeah you're here again. Yep. This is my spot. Yep. This is this is what I do. I got some water.

I love that. I love that. So Jordan my man Jordan has any recommended conference options for people on a budget. Barrett former guest of the show goes lots of good online conferences out there for free or cheap, you can usually find a good cheap local conference or two of many areas. Yeah, my advice, Jordan, definitely find something in your area. If you want to do it cheap, just come down for the day and drive back. And that way, all you're doing is spending money on a conference ticket. I would also tell you this, most conferences do offer some sort of financial assistance or scholarships or something.

So I would ask as well. What part of the country are you in Jordan too? He's like Kentucky. He's in Kentucky. Yeah, he's in Kentucky. So he could still go up to momentum in Cincinnati. He could come down here to conferences down here. He can go to Louisville. Mm hmm. Yep. That's what I was thinking. That's what I was thinking. But also to Jordan, people need help. These conferences desperately need volunteers. Right. Typically they will waive your ticket if you volunteer the whole time. Right. Or even just one day sometimes. And you can say, look, I'll work registration. If I can go here, I'll work the workshop day and I'll sit at the workshop day table all day if I can go to the two conference days because oftentimes the workshop day when I teach a workshop, it's often before the conference.

Sometimes it's after. But that's another opportunity. And another thing you can do for conferences is offer to live tweet some talks like from the human sales room. Content, go back to content, people love it, people need it. Conferences don't have a social media person on staff. They especially like at a 10-track conference. They don't have 10 people in every room, you know, live tweeting. And so conferences would really appreciate that kind of stuff too. It's actually a brilliant idea. That's a great This is when we do this. Yeah. Also another thing too. I'm going to and we'll close it out here. If you guys have any questions, please ask them now as we wrap up.

But basically, again, I want to reiterate networking over social media and then tying that into in person. Is a game changer. Yeah. Again, I didn't really go all in on my content journey until COVID hit two years ago. home building brand and connections for the last two years. Kristina, I've never met in person. We're gonna change that in September when I'm out in Vegas for my day goes conference. But I feel like I've known Kristina for a very, very long time. Yeah, and you're a Twitter handle. I realize that people know me more as Lucky Girly Girl. Lucky Girl that they do as Kristina, so I just, for Zoom, for lives, for things like that, I always just sign in as at Lucky Girly or even as conference badges, all right, Lucky Girly Girl on it, because people will recognize that before they recognize Christina Aldan or even my face.

Yeah, absolutely. Steve comes in here, says here in dimensional content, Steve had to step away, he said, any merit to us people who like to upload or stream on YouTube or Twitch? Yeah, I mean, that's, yeah. Absolutely, if that's your thing, then do it. Pick one or two things and do it consistently. And you're gonna be better off to do something, if you know that you can only record like eight, then spread those eight over every two weeks, right? As opposed to doing all eight every day and then not doing anything. People's attention span is so short. Me and my content team we met yesterday and literally we are like, we are gonna dumb down our stuff even more to like 30 seconds.

Like literally, we've even noticed my 90 second clips aren't getting me engagement. People just check out. People check out now, that's a whole other conversation to another day But the thing is though, is that for those of you who post really long paragraphs, because I think when we put it, when they hear us talk about content, like oh my gosh, I got to write a three paragraph. 600 words is long. 600 words is long. Yeah. And I only say 600 to keep the SEO bots happy, right? Because I'm like on the marketing girl. So that's an important thing to note. But they can be short.

They can be short. Yes, yes, absolutely. Keep it short. Stephen asked Casey, where's Casey Casey? DC's in the conference center, right? Always in the conference center. Yeah, every year. It's the eighth, ninth, and tenth this year, I guess, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday. It's fantastic. Jeff does a great job. That whole entire team is fantastic. Oh, Mills, listen. He's, yeah, no, they're fantastic. Yeah, yeah. All right. Christina, any last thoughts as we wrap up here? Any last thoughts? You know, I just, Wait a minute, wait a minute, I'll be right up to you. I forgot to ask you my question. I always ask you. You have a question.

Oh, Guine's Councilor 2.0, Guine's Councilor in High School, Middle School, et cetera, et cetera. We don't have Guine's Councilors now. What's one piece of advice you would tell your younger self for career stuff? Oh, one piece is to, well, I don't know about that. One piece of advice for my younger self would maybe be to focus, but also, I didn't take the street narrow path. Like, I zig-zagged, I over here, I over here, And because of that path, though, I am who I am, right? And so maybe it would have been to focus, but also I kind of, I kind of own my path now that I didn't focus.

And in that part, you know, I have discovered so much of what I didn't like. So sometimes we have to make the wrong choice to get to the right one. And I think, you know, just forgiving ourselves that is probably the advice that I would give. I love that. I love that. All right, now, any last thoughts? Okay, I think that we need to just be kinder to ourselves. The thing about people being edgy, people, we're all super, super stressed. We were at our limit like two years ago, we passed our limit, right? And so we're edgy, especially here in the US as I'm out in other countries, just saying less of that.

But we're really edgy and angry short with each other. It's because we're also treating ourselves that way internally. Those internal stories, come on Christina, oh you've got this, you know this, oh what's wrong with you? Then we start projecting that out into the outside world. So if we're just a little kinder to ourselves and I'm not saying sugar code everything, I'm just saying tell yourself the truth in the kindest way possible. 100% and that'll bleed out to everybody else. I love that, I love that. All right, y'all, well, thank you again for hanging out with us today, Christina. You crushed this thing on real quick because we wrap it up so I can say bye to you.

But y'all have a great one, Thursday tomorrow. Unicorn Finders, because a man can't have too many podcasts, my other podcasts, we are live. We are going over, we're in the web three space tomorrow talking to a company doing some making web three more accessible to build in. So I'm really excited to dive into that. And then Friday, it'll just be me hanging out. So Christine, you were the last guest of the week. So thank you so much. Thanks a lot. And y'all have a great rest of the week. See y'all, bye. Hey, you did it. You listened to an entire episode and I am very grateful.

Cause you know why? There's a lot of podcasts out there. There's a lot of episodes. And I myself rarely finished an entire episode. So I appreciate you so, so much for listening. Quick reminder, please rate and review this podcast in the App Store. I want this to be discoverable to others. And the only way that happens is if you take the time right now and rate and review it, please, like right now, unless you're driving, then don't do it. So thank you again. If you need to reach out to me, Taylor at Vaco.com or at T-Dastin on all social media handles. And I hope you have a fantastic day.