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all righty what's going on y'all happy Tuesday I tweeted last week I said happy Wednesday and they go hey it's Thursday so I am days of the week are incredibly subjective at this point um and so at happy day let's just say every day's a day and hopefully you make it happy I'm excited to be with Shashi so um you know I talk a lot about talk a lot and I'm sure Joshua and I will get into it today just about showing up to to networking events right go into meetups going to conferences and it's incredibly important and and and and that conference in in

Austin um I was able to meet Brayden who's been on the show recently I met Shashi I met a ton of people um and and so I'm thankful to have Shashi on the show and and we're going to continue to talk about the why it's so important just to show up right why it's so important to be engaged you know he and I were chit chatting um off air before we went live just about maybe throwing a meet up in Austin about me coming out there and and and all of us doing our thing maybe getting the the the great Danny Thompson down so again

right I mean it's your network is your net worth right and that's not my quote I've seen that many times but I think it's just really really cool I wish I came up with it I wish I was that smart but I'm not so anyways I'll definitely run around with my mouth hey y'all thinking thank you for tuning in the guidance capture 2.0 this morning what this show is this is uh I I'm just gonna go and say it is a networking platform it just is um you know I I've realized so I'm an introvert I'm just jacked up on coffee usually like right now

like anybody who comes on my show gets me Prime hours like this is my point this is it right here it just all goes downhill after this and so um this is a show just to give back to the engineer The Tech Community um obviously I played in engineering space a lot um and so uh please comment please say hey please let us know where you're tuned in from I've had people I'm I'm not I'm not kidding you I've had people find jobs on the show I've had people find mentor mentees on this show also a lot of people just because hey I've actually made

a really good friends in the show so please comment let us know what we're tuning in from um and uh and even if you watch in the future please please comment say hey because there's a lot of people that kind of just like go through and network with people um the second thing is ask questions right um uh you know having uh guys and uh guys on like Shashi is huge um you know typically they bill for this um but now they don't so uh so you know ask questions uh leverage sashi's brain um and then I want to give a shout out to to

to sponsor the show first off um I want to give a shout out to that conference again where ashashi and I met and they are the official coffee sponsor of the show so Clark sells coffee beans Clark is a uh say what I think I get his coffee beans yeah it's actually really really good when I say actually really good like you're probably like ooh a Tech conference it's gonna be like really good kind of gross you know it's actually really good um my favorite is Sassy syntax which is a light roast of his so very clever uh but also go check out the conference

in July I will be there I hope to see you there also too um uh let's just get into it we have a lot of people tune in so Ricardo it's great to see you want to give a shout out to folks uh Braden again Chris Mark Psy Lambert what's going on Sabrina Anthony um let's see here uh these happy days are yours and mine I love it Scott good to see you Bill Brandon again um uh Damaris is great to see you he's got the best tips he does Katrina Jennifer Chicago Eugene Alexander Megan from London is that London like Kentucky Tennessee or London

England because there's over here you got to specify Omar Alex from Connecticut I love it um Austin man we got we got a lot of people who wants oh my gosh Jennifer holy smokes Dominic wow man uh let's look like ano ther one from Irvine I love it Naveen great great to see you so Josh is going to kick it off man who are you what do you do and we'll go from there cool um I'm Shashi Lo uh senior software engineer at Microsoft um the team that I'm on is the pricing calculator team so basically we calculated costs for service um and there's like

150 plus services so there's 100 different 50 different teams with different calculations and all that stuff so we bring all that in and figure that all out so that when you try to estimate how much things are going to cost it gives you a pretty you know great estimate so that when you go provision that in the portal um you're when your build comes you know it's quite accurate we're trying to be at least um but there's a lot behind that and you know I currently you know we're building some different products and applications as well which is pretty cool but um also on the

side of that um I'm a father and I have okay so we did this little talk and you laugh at me because my title is now CSS magician oh I know I I that came from like what was that like some tweets right yeah so it came from my talk about Pixel Perfect um because as Engineers you know we need to bring design to life and the turnpicks are perfect comes in play and so I wanted to make this um statement Taylor I have four birthday parties booked to become a CSS magician okay so it is a real thing because for all four of my

kids have birthday parties so I'm guaranteed four gigs per year I bet I bet y'all didn't wake up this morning thought you get a comedy show between us but here we are oh my goodness um but also on the side of that I love helping people like on Twitter um uh as I was become an engineer young like I didn't have a mentor and it was really tough to kind of work my way through things so I did things on my own some people give me diamonds yada yada yada but I didn't have a true mentor to help me and allow me to shortcut my

route to success sure so that's kind of why I 'm vocal on Twitter and and helping people and making posts and it's funny how you say talk about mentorship and stuff because I had somebody messaged me the other day saying hey thank you so much for your post about finding a mentor because through that I was able to find someone and I was like that's amazing that's all I really need is one person to find someone else to help them and sometimes people joke like wait why are you doing this is it for growth is it for that I'm like it's to help you it's

your chance to use my network to go and find somebody to help you so that you can um find success in your career I love that I love that and then our boy Danny Thompson is here what's up what's up Danny um all right so so so I love that so so let's let's let's sit on the mentor thing for a hot second right so does everybody need a mentor how does one find a mentor like so let's let's talk about that because I'm really big on that I think I would not be able to be where I'm at right now without mentors in my

career let's talk about that yeah I would say it is vinyl but sometimes the the human in US thinks that we can do it on our own right and we're like oh man man forget that like I'm gonna I could do it on my own I'm gonna learn my own um find the resources of my own and all that stuff but what we don't realize is there's a mentor in everything we do and that person that has experience can be like hey like go this route this is what I did I did all 10 of these things this one one route is the best one

it's the most efficient one go down this route and if you're gonna be able to find what you need way quicker than going through the whole year or whatever trying to figure it out and I think that's what Mentor is greatest at is doing that and also just providing um feedback and guidance and all of that and response ideas because sometimes we've we find things and we're like hey is this better or is that better right and we ask the mentor and they're like oh yeah that one 's definitely better I've gone through both of them or I've heard others tell me that that solution

is probably better so I would go down that route and being able to have someone like that is key to your success because um it's gonna like I said it's gonna shortcut your route to find success in what you're looking for how do you approach somebody right I think the approach is very important and yeah Asian stream so can you talk about because I mean sure people watching this like all right that sounds great yeah I'd love a mentor how do I go get one yeah I I think that's a really tough one because not everybody wants to be a mentor and that's okay right

but you have to shoot your shot and find some people that you align with that you want to learn from but also just you know construct a a really good message like just let them know um some positivities about what they've done and and why you would like them to Mentor Mentor you and all that I I do receive some messages not to worry about like being able to Mentor them but for me to be honest I'm so busy that I don't have time right now um but when I do have time then you know I I would love to continue mentor and the way

that I Mentor now is just through my tweets and through uh groups and all that stuff opposed to like one-on-one mentoring that to me right now because of my my family and my job and all that stuff I'm like man I don't have time when I do it I want to go 110 in and if I can't do that then I can't provide that 100 100 um I love this Danny coming in here Mentor another Danny mentorship is important I'm a firm believer that if I've been in the industry for as long as I have and don't give back it's just selfish I'm here because

of the mentors I had and I have to keep that cycle going I love that mentality so much um so so let's so so let's talk about um Danny Shashi should Mentor me um so so let's so let's talk about the ask right so um Sabrina comes in here shoot your shot I've I've become and this is gonna sound weird I become a freak but like that sounds weird but like I've just become obsessed with just going for the ass now like I I'm just like you know what like tells me no tells me no like not a big deal can you talk about how

going for the ass has helped you in your career yeah I think at the beginning of my career I think most of us feel this way it's like oh I don't want to ask oh I don't I don't want to try because what if they reject me what if this happens right and it's I've gotten to the point where I'm like screw it go for it because if you don't try you're gonna miss a hundred percent of the chances you don't even try right like you don't shoot it yeah yeah the Wayne Gretzky uh as quote right because if you're going to be in the

same situation you are by not asking and so just give it a try and ask and like I said not everybody wants to be a mentor and not everybody has the time at that time to say like oh yeah of course I'll do that and that's okay um but somebody will be like you know what like you you know this message is so uh uh heartening and then like I I want to help you out and you never know right and you might get somebody that is really all in and helping you out and all of that so definitely like definitely go for it has

there has there been a specific um time in your career where the ask has really helped you at all is there I mean can you think of a time maybe a maybe a position change maybe new job is there anything that if not no worries I don't put you on the spot for this one but just didn't know if there's a time in your career we're going for the ask um yeah I I had a um a recent incident and work internet and um I wanted to find somebody that could potentially give me some suggestions and I reached out to one of my skips um

not knowing if they would be okay with it and just letting them know like what's going on on stuff and they're like yeah I'm glad you asked because um not many people are willing to you know um confront an d just be like hey like can you help me with this yeah um and sometimes that's the deal right it's like we're just too afraid to ask because of rejection but at the same time it's like no like no please ask because you know we want to help you and we were here to help you and so that person was able to help guide me like

through um some suggestions and opinions and all of that to navigate through the the situation I was going through and it really helped because it hurt because I had to do something that was really uncomfortable but it made a lot of sense and I was like oh okay I gotta do this it's gonna help me oh and I did and that was really beneficial for me so so let's let's talk about um conferences meetups being just being in places at places you know because I think there's a lot of people that um I mean here's the deal I I don't I don't I'm actually let

me let me say this I'm speaking for myself I think covet allowed me to stay at home my whole and allowed me because I'm an introvert right I am and everyone's like no you're not an introvert I am the problem is I you just see me when I'm good right you don't live with me my wife sees me when I'm bad right and so like my thing is is like you know I've I've kind of become selfish with my time and I kind of don't want to leave the house but man after coming off last week from going to react Miami and then connect to

Omaha Nebraska just being around the engineering community I just have a new energy now and so can you talk about what being in the community means to you and why people need to need to show up to things yeah I would say that um going to conferences and meetups is something that we all should do um like at the beginning I get talked about networking right that's that's a huge thing and what better way to go and be with people just like you in your career that because when you go to these events some people sure some people are there just to learn and stuff

but a lot of people are there to network li ke everybody there wants to meet someone new wants to continue to network and it's a great opportunity for you to let them know who you are and to expand your network because like that's the the key is networking is going to get you to places and get you opportunities in your future and I always say that sometimes the networks you connect with they are not fruitful right away but yeah in the end they will be or they can be majority of them won't be right away it may it would take time and all that stuff

I had a connection all right let me tell you a story story time yes Sasha short time everybody's watch books and and didn't realize and and yeah so I applied for a job and I got rejected because I didn't have enough angular experience and I was like that's fine they were looking for five years I had none and I really love the company right I love them so much I was like okay I'm just gonna keep in touch with them and connect with the hiring manager on LinkedIn okay so got rejected three years later uh I saw that he was speaking at a conference in

Minneapolis and shout out to my Minnesota people um and when I saw that I was like okay I'm gonna attend and go say hi to him right intentionally because I've met him I never met him in person I talked to him over their phone and all that stuff and so I didn't go to the Meetup because something had happened to my son and so I'm like oh I'm bummed out I went back and then messaged him and I said hey yo I saw that you were speaking at the conference I was going to come up and say hi to you and all that stuff but

hopefully it went well and he was like hey yeah thanks you know thank you for that and he said hey you know what are you still looking for a job and I said uh uh yeah I am and then he said I'm leaving and I think you'd be perfect to replace me and I was like what he was like send that email yeah yeah and he was like yeah like I he said this he said I didn't even tell my boss yet that I'm leaving but I think that you're perfect for this position and I was like whoa and so what happened was I got

an interview one candidate went in killed it they hired me flip-flop done because I was intentional about my network I was intentional about hey I'm gonna keep tabs on you and let you know that I wanted to attend your conference or whatever or hey great job on that um uh and speaking at this conference or whatever right you never know where these things are going to go I didn't know that but this was like a company that I really wanted to go to yeah and when that happened I was like well networking so intentional talk about being intentional and I think this could go into

the interviewing right because again I mean not whether we're wrapping up yet but we're about halfway through now right so I want to get to everything talk about intentionality and and maybe it's interviewing maybe it's networking right I talk about intentionality a ton what does intentionality mean to you yeah um it means that you have to get out of your own shell and go and be intentional about like um talking to someone be intentional about catching up with someone just be be intentional about um being up to speed right because sometimes like a lot of times when I see people have success on LinkedIn or

whatever I'll I'll put in the comments but I'll go into the DMS and say hey yo congrats on that I'm excited for you right um and I truly am but yeah nationality that that brings you up to the Forefront of them thinking about you too you'll be like oh yeah I remember this person they were this this and that and that's cool and guess what's gonna happen next time when I you know post my success or something they're gonna come and do the same thing for me and so by being intentional about going above and beyond and and being just just being a human like

just connecting with people genuinely it goes a long way and and so so I've talked about this a lot and I'm interested to hear your thoughts like I I think we need to view n etworking over LinkedIn over Twitter over your platformer choice as actual networking right I still think people sleep on the liking and commenting the dming on LinkedIn and and and it's I I mean it's completely transformed my career and obviously you have an amazing following and it sounds like you know you do the same stuff I mean can you just encourage the folks today about how important it is to do stuff

like that yeah it's very important because I'll tell you what there's a lot of big accounts that will not right they have huge followings but they don't follow a lot of people right and that's intentional because they feel I guess it's me now too we we we feel like we want to follow people that we want to um see in our our timeline right and all of that but at the same time we don't know who you are you could be a person that connects well with us but we don't know that unless if you're intentional About It by commenting by continuously you're letting us

know who you are right there's a friend that I made on Twitter uh his name is Mike Tran we created a a community together called let's get technical on Discord and he messaged me one day he said dude I love your Tweet about uh mentoring all stuff and he had like 100 followers right I'm like okay cool it said CEO of a startup I was like okay and then he kept um commenting and I was like yo this guy's pretty cool yeah and then we just got in a like a like a coffee chat together I was like yo like I didn't expect this from

you like you're so cool compared to like um um your comments and stuff I mean no not coming but the comments allowed me to to to be drawn into his personality and to connect with them and without that I don't think I would have like gone closer to him and because you know like online it's so hard to gauge who people are right right yeah and I would say you never know right it's kind of like what you said like the CEO of a company had a few hundred followers like you just you know a lot of the one s with like a lot of

followers and unless this isn't the case across the board but just because somebody has a lot of followers doesn't mean they have a lot of pull or a lot of um influence right and so I would say you got to treat everybody the same whether they have 100 followers or zero connections to 200 000 followers right it's uh you never know you just never know you never know um so so let's get into um yes Jason this is still live man we are still alive we are still here um so so let's get into um interviewing right so last last 10 10 minutes or so

the show here you know you talk to me about how you struggle interviewing I think that really would resonate with a lot of people so if you could if you can kind of go into your kind of your interview story a little bit yeah so two two years ago I was looking to jump ship to someplace else and um I hadn't been you know I've been in the forest for Workforce for a long time and um I thought that hey like I could probably find a job re ally quick I've experience I can go in Kill the interview and all of that and granted um

I was from the Midwest okay Upper Midwest in Minnesota Wisconsin and I'll tell you like the interviewing style is different than like Silicone Valley or Austin um and so I I moved down to Austin and I was looking for a new place and you know mostly trying to find Austin remote positions and by I thought that just by doing it I can you know potentially land a job in a month or two hey Robert good to see you h ere man he's he's one of the guys he's one of my mentee mentors for sure um and by like I didn't realize that it was different

and so I interviewed so much it was like a full-time job for almost a whole year like I had seven eight interviews a week uh multiple rounds and all that stuff and the hardest thing was that the technical side of things because I'm a doer right and I've been doing the work and all that stuff I didn't understand the technicalities of how things were being put together I k new how to do it because I was on the job pieces together right but technicality wise I didn't unders know the right terms or all of that and that really hurt me because in the interview they

would ask specifically like these terms I'm like um I think it's like this this is how I do it and I think that was a you know not something that they didn't like because I didn't know exactly what they're talking about right I was like well I know I think I know what you're talking about but I just probably translated differently and so that and I always say like the the coding rounds are tough right like sometimes you'll get some uh data structures and algorithm questions sometimes you'll get some take-home questions and and I always say you know like you can't hate the player but

you can hate the game because that's a part of the game is that a lot of companies they like to interview that way so if you want to play the game you have to learn the rules and play by that and so the interviewing style of coding is completely different from your day-to-day and I thought that my day-to-day uh skills could translate over like oh I got this and when I'm like oh damn like I can't even do this well and efficiently and all of that and so not until um I was able to talk to somebody and they were able to let me know

that um it's not about like getting it the most performant it's about getting it done efficiently and well like it doesn't perfect it doesn't have to be like like all the way through we just want to hear your mindset and how you construct this and how you put this thing through and it could be in an iterative approach and I was like oh that makes a lot of sense like yeah I'm trying to get the perfect solution down every single time right it was not working yeah no and that's again I'm not a developer but that's the one thing I've constantly heard right we don't

want it perfect we just want to get this is going to sound weird get inside your brain and figure out how you think there's there's one question here from Brett can you give some tips on getting the technicality down knowing how to talk about what you know how to do yeah that this one I'd say it's very tough it depends on the person yeah but but it's all practice right like like like what I did after what I knew I was failing on is I got books I got like these uh Beginner Books like eloquent JavaScript and um all this stuff where I was like

okay I got tickets I got to do the work I gotta understand it write it like pretty much going to school right like write it down doing some studies and understanding it and then practice interviewing I had I wrote some questions down and I had my wife ask me the questions oh and that was one step and then I also had my chan interview me because he's been at Google Yahoo and all that stuff right I said hey can you can you do it mocking everybody said yeah so he did and he gave me you know some challenges and stuff like that and gave me

some pointers um which really helped because I feel like when you can go to someone that you trust and that has a lot of experience it's better than going to like uh any of those other interviewing prep courses because sure don't give me some feedback and stuff but um the Mike was able to really like hone in on like what I'm good at when I'm not to take that away and be like okay I need to work on this because if I want to find that next job this is these are things that I need to work on and hone on so I'm curious your

thoughts Sasha I've talked about this a lot is um having a Google doc notion pen and paper something to brain dump all of your thoughts concerns questions in this effort interview because my thought is if you're going through the interview process right you went through the interview process you said for close to a year there's yeah there's a lot of there's a lot of people right now doing it every it's taken it's taken me around six months right now I mean I I know I know our guy Emmett who who la nded a job it was almost a year before he found another job right

so if if if you're interviewing for that long and you have all this data in a dock right notion page like that's gonna be a huge study guide yeah I mean I I curious curse your thoughts on that no I totally agree because the day that I started to the day that I landed a job I was a thousand percent better because after every interview I didn't write down every question but I wrote the most questions they didn't ask me and then I would go and find you know answers for them or I would say I would ask other people if I was able to

get it you know I was able to answer it properly and that really helps because then you're gonna grow along not everybody's going to ask you the same exact question sure but it allows you to grow it allows you to understand like if if a similar question comes up how are you going to answer it correct right and I think the biggest thing is that the soft skills right the soft skills part of it where there's some some tips where hey write down your answers and Star Format all that stuff practice it and I was really good at that but I wasn't good at the

other side of things yeah and so that's where I'm like okay if I came and pass the first round of technicality I can't get to the things that I'm really good at correct so one I love this from Robert and I'm really big on this avoid jargon in big words I love this I've become so passionate about it especially with all my content creation I think the biggest thing that plagues a lot of people is technical jargon for the industry right because because and I think people hide behind words right they say words there's just words they don't know what it means they just heard

about it and so what are your thoughts on this ma'am because because I love this right here no it's true like the jargon is sometimes we just say stuff to say it right and we don't know what we're talking about because we just heard it it's like that's great but do yo u understand what you're talking about like probably not sometimes well sometimes yeah um let's see you're going through here you got an eloquent JavaScript is a great book um uh let's see here um if you miss a question on an interview solve it then write a blog post I love that you talk about

from a Content creation perspective love this um yeah uh interview yourself if you can yeah I'm really big on interviewing so I went to school um or my minor in college was public speaking um and and we had to record ourselves and I wish come on bro oh I know I I wish I had I wish I I wish I had a uh a video of my Early College presentation days the ums the butts yeah the shows no so I have you speak of this so um have you done something like this Shashi like have you recorded yourself I mean if not I just that's

fine I just didn't know if you use that yeah I I don't but one thing I do do that's similar is I talk to myself in the mirror oh yeah not working eye contact with yourself like if you can talk to yourself in a she does that she's like who are you talking I'm like I'm practicing breakfast with me so you have to practice for yourself like I don't know because you weren't around so it's a good way to practice you know I think it is good too like if you could record yourself but I think the problem is that because I'm starting to create

a YouTube Dev content is when I get on camera it's different yeah it's different you have the nerves it's just different but when you're interviewing like I don't feel that pressure for me I don't I just feel like I'm just talking to somebody even if it's on the camera or whatever right but when you record yourself it's like it's a little bit odd but if you can do that all for it do that talk in the mirror practice practice practice Yeah and listen we all have phones set up your phone selfie style yep I have this right here I do my content on this but

also buy you one of these Amazon twenty dollars set it up Google most commonly asks engin eering questions read it and answer it film yourself and it'll help it's a great time uh Danny comes in here I thought if I learned all the big Technic words and met immediate higher yes all right so we're gonna wrap up here Sasha we'll need a part two for sure this is just such good information but I want to be respectful everyone um anything else that we didn't get to that that you want I have two more questions to end it but I wanted to ask before these last

two any any anything else that you want to impart on our viewers and again everybody watching to say thank you so much the the comment section has been here thank you thank you so much um I do want to shout out to Robert again Robert spear he gave me the single best advice in my career I was freelancing and we were a co-working space and we started to work together and he said Shashi why are you focused on so many things and I said what are you talking about I thought this was this is what I was supposed to do to be a developer he

said no you're doing design you're doing development you're doing back end you're doing project man you did this this and that like you're doing so many things um you should focus on one role and be really good at it and specialize in it and then people and companies will want you and hire for that and then you can expand your knowledge on other things and I was like okay that makes sense and that's when I became a front-end engineer is that I fully focus focus on the front end and a lot I and then we work together and allow him to do the project management

at the back end and all of that and I took that and ran with it and my career has thrived since then because now yes I can I'm pretty much a full stack developer but I don't say that because my specialty is front-end engineering ux engineering and that's what I've been known for and that helps me with my career with people understanding what I do and all of that and I just want to say yeah if anything you know follow that guy he' s giving me so much good advice I love that all right last two questions first question what tool technology Trends are you

kind of tinkering with um that's fun and kind of curious right now some tools and Technologies right now um I'm doing NX uh NX builds model repos and then where I'm putting a module Federation which from webpack on top of that it is super Nifty uh super cool that you can build an application deploy it and then as you deploy new updates to it it automatically updates if another application is usually utilizing it so it isn't care about versioning or anything as long as you push it up there it just goes right up um I think those two things are really cool and currently right

now um building a UI component library with storybook I've used storybook before but uh with storybook 4 I believe the new version that came out I open the upgrade so I can get those new features as well yeah that's awesome I do want to get to Braden's question because it is really really good oh man we still got questions coming in all right we'll be quick uh what's the best way to approach small business about making a website or making their website better as a junior who totally doesn't have any professional experience go um I think the best way is to construct an email or

a message to them letting them know who you are and then the things that can help them improve their website um yeah a line item of like okay from a customer standpoint this can improve from an analytical standpoint this can improve right because they want Roi return and investment if you go say hey I want to build your website because it sucks no that's not that's not going to help you have to say oh I want to increase the usability of your site because you know we can't find it or um I want to increase the content because content is important for SEO and SEO

ranks you higher means that when people search for that particular industry you'll be able to get up there higher giving them analytics and numbe rs and justifications for user and return an investment I think that's a really big thing about that and Danny chimed into it says also just just ask which I love um last last question came in again these are all like really long these are like really in-depth questions but yeah we gotta go anxiety oh uh does it ever go away it never I feel like it just never goes away it it never goes away I would say that when you have

that anxiety during the interview just breathe just breathe and then also be honest with them and be like hey can you can you give me um 30 seconds off off camera um I I just need to collect my thoughts and stuff yeah be honest with it and if they can't respect that that means that you shouldn't go there right because there needs to be a mutual respect there because interviewing is not easy it's a whole skill and it's on its own like it's different it's completely different you don't feel like you have to answer the question immediately right you're saying Hey listen can I get

30 like 30 seconds and let me let me kind of just jot some stuff down right and it may be awkward that's okay right I feel like a lot of people are like they gotta like bang bang bang bang like no like like hey can I have a minute I have my pen and paper I'm just Johnson notes collect my thoughts everyone's gonna be like yeah because you know what that shows you're methodical you're intentional which is what hiring managers want to hear so yeah all right last question we'll wrap it up this show is called guidance Council 2.0 because we had guidance counselors in

middle school high school and college but now as adults we don't really have a true guidance counselor what would be your biggest career advice for your what would be your biggest piece of career advice for your younger self my biggest advice would be to network to build connections and to continue to expand those connections because you never know when and where those connections will come from and like I was saying i n earlier in this live stream was I had a connection that wasn't fruitful right away but after several years it got me a job almost a dream job that I had always Covenant for

um and I continue to make networks today but my younger self would not go to meetups would not be upfront would not be confrontational would not be intentional right because they'll say oh I don't want to it's too hard I don't want to like it's too much work that's the whole part of it is it's not easy but you need to do it because by doing that like even if you're an introvert like I'm not saying I go up to somebody say hey how you doing whatever but but like intentionally like message someone on LinkedIn or you Twitter or something but also or something that's

a good step go into a Meetup and intentionally making connections because everybody there is there to make connections as well that is like probably the biggest thing in your career is to con to build a network to continue to build relationships and that's gonna continue to just be like it's gonna forever be there where in the future um some of these connections will come back and help you out or you can help them out as well yeah absolutely all right y'all well you guys have a good one that was a blast Shashi stay on real quick so I can say bye to you off here

y'all thank you so much go connect with Sashi hope you all had a great day tomorrow it's just gonna be me I'm actually going to talk about basically like a few steps if you get laid off today what do you have to do so we're gonna talk about that tomorrow um and uh yeah so y'all have a great Tuesday I'll see y'all tomorrow morning