the balance of hustle culture w/ bria sullivan, cto & founder

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Hello, hello. Thanks for listening to Guidance Counselor 2.0. Listen, I want to give you a quick rundown of what this podcast is and what you're about to get into as you listen to these episodes. We had Guidance Counselors in middle school. We had Guidance Counselors in high school, but we didn't really have Guidance Counselors in college and now as professionals. We don't really have anybody to turn to, to ask a quick question, to learn something about the job search or to navigate your career. And so that is what I want this podcast to be for you. I want it to be a tool for you to navigate the job search and your career.

So that being said, I hope you enjoy this episode. And if you need to reach me, social media at tdsntdesseyn. And finally, please rate and review this in the app store because I want this to be discoverable for others so they can navigate their careers. Hope you enjoy the episode. Alrighty. Alrighty. What's going on everybody? When I say everybody, I mean nobody. There's no one here yet. It takes a second to hit the internet. I'm excited today. Well, first off, first off, a pseudo-fed to hell of a drug. I'm gonna go and say that now. How I felt this morning versus how I feel now with Bria after taking pseudo-fed.

You know, Bria, I don't, so I've never taken, what's that focus messin'? Everybody takes, what's it called? Adderall? Adderall, I've never taken Adderall. I feel like pseudo-fed is like the closest thing to like sick people, Adderall, as you can possibly get. So for those of you tuning in, if you hear the voice, I'm on the struggle bus, but excited to hang out with Bria today. She's got an amazing story and I'm excited to dive in today. But a few housekeeping items is always first off, say, hey, we'd love to hear where you're tuning in from. Mr. Ricardo, again, always consistent. I always know when I'm good if Ricardo says, hey, so Ricardo's good to see you.

Lamras, good to see you as well. Let us know where you're tuning in from. I always love to know where people are tuning in from. I know we're international typically. So say hey, also the reason why I tell people to say hey is I want this to be a networking platform. So Bria We're gonna talk about our background But she was in this space of placing people in jobs and Bria and I were talking about getting ourselves out there more And so the power of networking so that's what I want this to be like we're not all sitting in our house with the Apple Vision Pro goggles on yet And so like we can't see each other so the only way to bring visibility to yourself in a networking event like this is the comment So I don't do it for likes or clicks I do it so you can be visible to others because I'm not kidding you have had I've had hiring managers come on the show say hey and they found Apprenticeships internships with people through this mentor menteeship.

So again the community is really awesome. You guys are fantastic So please say hey Second thing is ask questions can't wait to dive in with Bria today Bria comes with a wealth of knowledge This is the one time she doesn't bill you for it. So please ask questions because she knows a ton. And again, I can't wait to catch up with her on that. Third thing, if you are celebrating a success for your professional career, I want to celebrate you. I think a lot of times in today's world, we kind of move on to the next thing pretty quickly, right? Hey, I gotta raise. Where's my next raise?

Or hey, I just closed me in Bria's case. I closed funding. When's the next funding coming in? Or hey, we just reached one milestone on users. Now we gotta get to another milestone. So I wanna celebrate you. So throw up your comment. If you've got promotion, a title change, a pay raise, you deployed code last Friday and then it burned the house down, throw that up as well, but I wanna celebrate you. And then final thing is I do wanna give a shout out to that conference for the official coffee sponsor of the show, drinking it right now. The keynote in Austin, if you've always wanted to go to Austin for tacos and tech, that conference in January, the keynotes are Kelly Vaughn, Shonda Pearson and Danny Thompson.

They're all incredible and you should be there. And I'm speaking, so I'll be there. But also, they're awesome too. So you should be there. Also want to give a shout to Gunio for taking a chance on me and hiring me and letting me run my mouth for a living. I appreciate you, Gun. Thank you so much. Again, if you have a few more shout outsides, good to see you, Erica. My God, Will Johnson, hey, shout out to Will for being the React Miami host with Demetrius Clark. As the kids say, that shit's gonna be lit. So there we go. Chris, it's good to see you, Joe.

It's good to see you as well. Phone's screening my face off. I love it. Joseph fellow recruiter, Stefan. Stefan, it's good to hear from you. Washington DC, I love it. New York, Shrod, it's good to see you as well. All right, we got some people out today. Brie to hear you talk. So enough of me running my mouth. Let's get the people what they want. Who are you? What do you do? And we'll go from there. Hi, I'm Brieh. I'm the founder of Honey Bee Games. It's just a game studio. I make games like mobile games about bubble tea. And my background is a software engineer.

I've been a software engineer for 13 years now. And previously I was at Google. And before that I was at Microsoft. And I left in 2020 and have been doing this full-time since 2020. That's awesome, that's awesome. All right, so a lot to dive into. So let's start with your story, right? Obviously your background internship, Microsoft, went to Google, left, you know, you left Big Tech, you worked at two of arguably the biggest tech companies in the world. What did you learn from those? How did you get in? I'm curious, let's talk about how we get got in first and then I'll ask you some more questions.

Let's talk about that first. How did you get into Microsoft as an intern? Well, like unfortunately, but fortunately it's more that like I went to Cal Poly, San Luis Obispo, which is like a good engineering school in California that those schools tend to recruit from, but it wasn't easy getting an internship there. I do remember the thing that got me, my internship was networking. So I thought- Imagine that. I know. It's funny because at that time, like I have to remember that far back, but I still remember a lot of my peers being upset that they weren't getting internships, but they also weren't going to events.

They weren't like schmoozing the recruiters or like trying to like get seen. And because I was like doing that, I think the recruiters were willing to take a better chance on me. And they were fighting for me on the other side because I did not have a good GPA. Really? I did not, no. It was like a 2.4, 2.5, something like that when I first started. I eventually got up there, but I didn't know Grazemattered in college. That's a whole other conversation. And so I'm right there. Marcia, it's good to see you. So when you say networking, like what did that look like? Like did you go to career fairs?

Like, because I think one of the things I regret in college is not networking. Like I didn't know how to network. I didn't know what networking was. So like, how did you network in college? Any time there was an event like that a business was hosting at the college, I would go to the event, but then afterward I would always wait in line to talk to the recruiter and speak to them directly. And then if usually they bring like other people that work at the company with them. And so I would also make sure to talk to them and just like talk to them about my experience, ask them about like their background and just try to almost just be friends with them.

Like I'm still friends with the recruiter that helped me in like 2011. Are you serious? I love that. I love that. That's awesome. Yeah. So just try to become friends with them. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Go to events. It's like, Marisa, like get out, right? And I think too. much more than career fairs. Yeah, I never like career fairs. I thought career fairs were tough. But yeah, go to events, go to meetups, go to, because again, Bri, I'm sure we'll get into it about, you know, you kind of hold up a little bit and you're trying to get out there more right now. It's just, it's important to be out there.

It's important to be out there. We're going to continue to talk about. So all right, so you lay on the job at Microsoft. And then you, so talk about kind of a little bit more of your story, kind of what you learned at Microsoft, why you left Microsoft and and then why you joined up with Google? Well, I've always kind of been an entrepreneur at heart. So I never thought that I would actually end up at Microsoft. I was just kind of like doing it for the experience and like they had a lot of trainings that you could attend when you were an intern. It's kind of sad, but like my younger sister ended up getting cancer in like when I was a senior in college.

And so I had to choose if I wanted to pursue the startup route, or I had a job offer from Microsoft. And so I ended up just going with the offer I already had, because I couldn't handle what she was going through, and also in the interview process. So I actually started the interview process at Google, too, and then just canceled everything. And then, yeah. So this is kind of like a vulnerable thing, but like I went to Microsoft, but it was my sister had actually passed away a few months later. And so like in my first year of Microsoft, I did not do well.

My mental was not there. So like, yeah, so I like my mental was not there. So I did not, I did not do well, and I didn't get fired, but I did get told you should probably we fund another job before we have to put you on a pip or anything. But with the power of networking and I had one of my best friends worked at Google, she helped me with the interview process and she said how much she studied and I studied like crazy for that interview process at Google and then And I just needed another job. And I just like, I went to, I did a first interview at Snapchat, bombed it, was horrible at it.

Horrible at it, but it was the week before my interview at Google and I think that like kind of got my nerves out because I was just- Oh, interesting. Yeah. I was so nervous and I wasn't bad, like I was still a good engineer, but I was so nervous, but my Google interview was the week later, but I was more prepared just mentally for it. And then the next week, I did great at my interview at Google. And so that's how. So what, and again, this could be an episode in and of itself. I'm just trying to ask you a bunch of different questions. I come in my mind real quick.

How do you prepare for these big tech interviews? I know reading the books and the data algorithms and the audio, hacker ranks, the audio. Do you have any suggestions outside of that? I haven't been part of an interview process in a very long time. They, when I started doing it in 2020, and it was just like, they're very difficult. I think doing it in in person, in mock interview, like with a whiteboard and just another person helped me a lot. Oh really? Yeah, just with like a friend. And I would like, they would interview me And it would help me like get the, I think explaining your, we're in like while you're interviewing, explaining what you're doing is something that it doesn't come naturally.

And it was like something that I had to practice. Agreed. 100%. 100%. Yeah, I think, and I want to, a park on this just for a quick second, like explaining why you're doing things is one of the biggest things I consistently see with engineers failing interviews. And so I love this brie like had a friend ask I think I think Doing something that's uncomfortable, right? You could even find your own question and have your partner sit in on the interview and just watch you do it But you got to try to put yourself in uncomfortable situation Because if you're just like I want to wing it then you're gonna get up in front of a whiteboard or a virtual whiteboard and having to do this It's just like training for a marathon.

You don't just go jump straight into a marathon. You got to practice it especially for big tech So yeah, verbalizing is a separate skill than coding. Yeah, 100%. 100%. So let's get into the mobile side of things, right? So worked at Microsoft, worked at Google. Well, before that, what made you make the final decision to leave Big Tech, to go out on your own? Like what clicked for you? Mm-hmm. I think it was a timing thing, honestly. I wanted like prior to the 2020 pandemic, I had like my own little pandemic in my family and other family, like my mom, it's like it had something happened to her.

And so I was living in New York, she lives in California. And so I was like, I need to go home. Like I need to figure out how to go back to California. And then I wanted to first, I thought, okay, maybe I'll just work at another company in California. Maybe I'll transfer within Google. But it's a little spiritual for me. The reason, a lot of the timing things, it's more like I was interviewing for a role as a developer advocate. I didn't want to be a software engineer anymore. I wanted to be a developer advocate. I got a yes, but no head count. You have to wait.

And I just kept getting all these yes, but. Yes, but. And this like, oh, yeah, yes, but yes, but the timing's not right. Yes, but the timing's not right. And then all of that kind of like came together and just like, what is it the good time? Like what is it good timing for? Right. And I was like, okay, well, maybe it's, I have to go to a new company. And I was interviewing and I just remember feeling like a very purpose driven at that time, just because of like what was happening with my mom and all of that, I was just very purpose driven.

And I'm like, I have all these tech skills and I don't even do what I want to do with them. I don't contribute to the world that I'd want to. I don't do anything fun that I want to. And just at that time, I was interviewing for a company that was like in finance. And I just remember the person saying like, Oh, well, this is a, you know, just a company about finance or whatever. And I was just like, I don't care. Why am I, why, why don't care about that? Like, why am I going to do that? Yeah. I don't care about making like helping the world.

Well, on finance. Right. And I'd had an idea about making a game about bubble tea for a really long time. It just wasn't the right timing. Like a lot of people didn't know what it was. And then I remember after that conversation with the engineering manager, I was looking at my phone and I'm like, let me look at the app store. Is there some, another bubble tea? Is it time to make the bubble tea game? And then there was a crappy bubble tea game that had done really, really well on the apps. Really? Yep, there was. like it's time, it's time. Awesome. Yeah. So let's go over the app real quick.

What is it? What does it do? And then I want you to brag on yourself with the user side of things too. OK. So I made actually three bubble tea themed games since 2020, and eight games total since 2020. But at the end of 2021, one of them started going viral. Um, viral ish. I, I built a, um, a big audience on TikTok for it. But, um, I was about to quit. It wasn't, it was doing like good numbers, like better than I had ever seen, but also like nothing, nothing's that I felt like, okay, I'm not gonna be able to live off of this.

But I was ready to quit. And I was already, I was re interviewing again, I was like, okay, I'm gonna start the interview process again with all of these other companies. And then all of a sudden the game started going viral. It got like 50,000 downloads in a weekend. Yeah, it was right after actually I canceled some interviews. Like I felt like in my spirit, like the universe, God, whatever you believe, I felt like God was telling me not to give up on this yet. And then like when I agreed, I love that. Literally, like I agreed on that Friday. I'm like, okay, I'm gonna go back and I'm And it's crazy.

Boba Story thing. I'm going to focus on Boba Story, one of the games that I made. And then by Monday, it had gone viral. So it hadn't gone viral until that Friday, but then on Monday. It was viral. And it reached a million users within a month of that, a Tiffany situation. And since then we've gained, we're almost at eight million. Eight million. I can't even count to eight, let alone eight million. That's insane. Congratulations, girl. That's huge. That's huge. So I'm kind of curious why bubble tea? Like what, like what just seems really random. Like I'm kind of curious. You're kind of OG story with that.

Yeah. I have the ideas since like 2013. It was like the thing that I used to do with my friends. We'd get bubble tea together, but it was kind of like, I'm half Asian, and so it was just me and a couple of my Asian friends. That's what we would do together. And it was always like a thing that we did together, and it was like, okay, we're fun. Yeah, community, like almost like a network type of thing. Like we're all just doing together. Yeah, we always went together, and it was always like a joy thing. And, but it was still like a very niche food item, but since then it's kind of like blown up over time.

And so now even today a lot of people get it as like a thing they do together with other people. So it's like, I wanted to- So was it like, is it like, hey, we're at this place, document the place and what they offer? Is it kind of like one of those things where like you find the best bubble tea around you type of situation? For the game? Yeah. No, it's like you are making your own bubble tea. store. Oh, nice. I love that. It's like roller coaster or tycoon back in the day, but bubble tea. I kind of make your own make your own amusement park.

What's what's what's the name of the app? I'm gonna throw it up so people can check it out. It's called Boba Story. B.O.B.A. Mm hmm. Okay, sweet. Awesome. Yeah, y'all go check out Boba Story. Is that right? That's right. That's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, y'all go check that out. That's awesome. So next thing, let's let's kind of dive into what the title of this episode is, halfway through more and halfway, the balance of hustle culture. So I think, you know, again, I think there's just so much. My daughters love it. Murray, do your daughters use this app? That would be pretty sick if that was the case.

Eva, it's great to see you. So I think there's, I've I've been pretty loud about this, about rest, about who you're trying to prove it to, being content. I've had more conversations about being content. Talk about what you're learning right now at running this app, running a business, especially when it comes to that work-life balance. So I started this whole company. I'm not, hopefully I don't get flacked for this, but I'm not the most passionate about making games. I'm more passionate. Like I used to do something similar to you, like recruiting, or not recruiting, but like one of the people. Connector of people. Connector of people and to tech.

And so my goal is to figure out how I can have a company that I use my tech skills for, but not have to sacrifice like my life for it. Like I want to figure out can I run a company and spend time with my family, spend time with my friends, spend time with have a relationship with my dog, eventually have children and not have to like, I want to figure out how do I do that without like two hustle culture and I never see my family, I have to sacrifice my health. And like, I think my health has become so much more important to me, my mental health.

So since 2020, I've spent so much time on my mental in spiritual health. I feel like, like, since leaving, I've basically cured my anxiety. I've not had anxiety and over to like, Oh, I just passed the anniversary. It's been two years without anxiety for me, which is crazy. Like, and I use for really, really, like, really, really bad anxiety. My depression has also like been it has waves. Like it's not a thing you could Sure. Yeah, no one's bulletproof when it comes to that stuff. Yeah, yeah. But I've figured out like the cures. I have like the, okay, this is how I know what's happening.

But like, because I can spend the time listening to my body, listening to myself, because of my mind isn't always thinking of, I have this do on Monday, or I need to do this, or I need to do that. Yeah, it's true. Yeah, I feel like I've spent a lot of time I'm resting, but I'm currently in a place where I'm like maybe just a little too rested. And yeah, I went a little bit too far into the and I spend like 80% of my time with my family. I live with my grandparents actually now so that I can spend more time. It's like I wake up every morning with them.

I would go bowling with them and I have my everyone comes here, but I was almost doing it a little too much. And now I have to like kind of pull it back and. Well, and I feel like in correct. So a few questions here. First off, Marie's daughter, Marie's daughters do use your app. So that's really freaking cool. Oh, my God. That's really freaking cool. They love building things and make it their own. I love that. And then also yes, spend time with family. Mental health is the best wealth. I love that, Steven. Love that. Is there anything that you want to share on how you fixed your mental health?

Any tips, tricks, really, it's obviously a very individual journey. So what worked for you that you're willing to share? Well, what worked for me was a lot of like, I think I have ADHD and I had this idea of meditation and like I didn't do it. I felt like, oh my God, I can't do it right. I can't do it right. And then I figured out how to meditate with my eyes open so that I like stared a wall. So like, so it's not as distracting. And I feel like I finally got the click of meditation. Okay. So that was one. Use an app for that.

Like, did you use headspace or something? No. No, it was just a lot of like. I think just listening to meditative music and just knowing that one of the one of the things that actually helped was the this idea of meditation instead of thinking that it's supposed to clear your mind thinking of it more as like a meeting with yourself and Like a check-in like that you would do with like in a one-on-one with like a report or someone that like you work with Yeah. Even though for yourself and it's just like, how am I feeling today? How am I doing today? Like what's coming up for me today and all of that?

I think that helped. And then I did do a little, I hope this is like okay to say, but I live in California, so it's a little bit more allowed, but I did a little bit of like psychedelic. Yeah. I've heard great things with that. I've heard great things with that. And it's good to know that that helped. No, and I think that's huge. I mean, again, it's and also nothing too that's interesting. And I'm a curse here. Thoughts. I found that a lot of high performing individuals have a problem. Taking their foot off the gas. So it's either all or nothing. And I feel like I'm the same way.

And I think it's good that you maybe went the opposite way and you admit that you may be too refreshed. But I feel like that's a good thing. I feel like people who are high performing individuals, both in tech and whatever, we kind of don't have a gear to pull back. We kind of have to go all or nothing. And sometimes pulling back all the way in whatever you're doing in life to fix the problem can sometimes be the best thing. Yeah. Some interest here thoughts on that. Yeah, I totally agree. I think similar to what you're saying, I think we're always kind of like, as a high performer, you're like chasing the next promotion.

I mean, same. Yeah, always. The next step in your career, and it's like, no, I need to be there by next year, and they're by next year, and they're by next year, and they're by next year, and it just never ends. But like, it's actually okay. I have friends that like, didn't reach like a senior engineer until they were in their late 30s. Like, and I wasn't even in my 30s yet when I was like chasing that senior engineer title and it's like yeah and these senior titles. Yeah. Yeah. And so it's like, yeah, I probably could have made more money and gotten to hire your points in my career, but like, but it's you have to ask yourself for what?

Like why are you doing it? I've been talking about this too. Yeah, for an extra $20,000 a year, but why? Yeah, which it's $10 an hour. No, it's like $9 for some change in an hour. Then after taxes, It's like $7 an hour. Yeah. You know, you want the high anxiety, high. And that's so interesting. I was talking to a friend of mine. And he's been at a company. He's a product owner, my friend. And he likes where he's at. But he's always wanting something else. And he finally got a job offer. And my friend called me. He was like, what should I do? And I said, I said, you're in your stage of life, right now where you have a lot going on.

You recently have a kid, you want another one here soon. What is your date? And we had kind of had a conversation. He's like, well, because I work West Coast times, the company's based out of LA, you obviously know them. He was like, well, I only really work like nine to four, kind of the way everything works. So I was like, okay, so you're telling me that you wanna leave for a job where you get $30,000 raise, but you'd be working probably twice as much, and you can't spend time with your family. Like, when's the priorities gonna finally kick down? Like, we're not single anymore.

So that's good that you shared that, cause I feel like a lot of our age group, I think we're all kind of the same age. I think we're starting to figure that out. Yeah. It's like, what's $30,000 more? Yeah, it's great, but like what comes with that? Yeah. Yeah, and I see it with a couple of my friends too, and they're always chasing it. I'm like, you have, your net worth is probably a million dollars by now. Like, like. Well, I just take a breath. Yeah, like, which there's always gonna be more, and it's like some people, you know, they're like, I wanna retire early, right?

But it's like my, I think with what happened with my mom, she was also high achieving, high achieving working lady. And like what happened with her, she like can't work anymore. And I think she's, she couldn't now maybe, but she was also feeling like, why did I care so much about like all of this one, like I already had everything that I needed, meaning like just for family. And like, I think that was also like an aha moment for me where I'm like, I have like wealth comes in so many forms. Oh, so true. Other than money. So true. Like I live much more humble than I did before when I made way more money, but like my wealth is the way I get to wake up.

And the love that I get surrounded by. Yeah, but every day, right? And so like it's like, where does your wealth come from? But also don't, you don't have to go broke, but you have to do it so much. Yeah, I mean, we're not saying like go be a monk like live on like the amount of any, we're not saying that, but also to like, yeah, think about a little bit be a little introspective. I love that. I got a question. I think this will be good for you to answer to on TikTok, Brian finance. I appreciate the question. I'm trying to transition from mortgage loan officer to tech sales, sales, any suggestions.

Bri, I'm curious to hear your thoughts on that because you worked obviously with networking and placing people. And so, well, I guess the first question is like, are you already an engineer or is it like you're just? I, from the sound of the question, it looks like it's like a, it's like a, a new move, like getting into that space. I would first try to find someone that has maybe made a similar move. Yes. From the similar industry and ask them about their experience, but I would also ask if They know anyone within the industry. They're already in that is like a tech person, like a.

And in the mortgage industry. Yeah. And the mortgage industry. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And again, Bryant finance with the positions that you're bringing up. Tech sales, not so much, but sales engineer. Those are typically more of senior roles because you got to know the engineering side and the industry side. I would just focus right now. Also, it sounds like you want to be in sales in some way, shape or form. I'd also look into a recruiter as well, man. Like so many people think recruiters like recruiters, you get to work in tech. You know, I get to hang out with cool people like Brea as a recruiter, right?

Like I'm still in tech, I'm tech adjacent. So again, look into that, but Brian, hopefully that helps me. All right, last few questions, Brea, and we'll send you on your way again. Thank you for hanging out with me today. And us, hopefully you all enjoyed it. Three questions, kind of rapid fire. And then we kind of talked a little bit less about work, which I love today. What do you do right now that brings you a lot of joy outside of work? Outside of work? I love baking. Oh, okay. All right, quick. What are you really good at? Like if your friends like, Bri, a girl, hook me up with some of your baking, what do you make them?

Like, like, like, what are you making? Okay, so this is brag hour. Please. I'm well known within my friend group. They said that I make the best cookies. I've ever had in the world. I wish you didn't say cookie because now I want. Now what type? What type? Okay, so I make a really, really good just chocolate chip, but the ones I just made yesterday for my family, it's highly requested from my family. I make a cookies and cream cookie, and it's like I mash Oreos into a cookie and with chocolate chips and stuff, and they go crazy over it. If you're at render this year, can you bring some please?

I'll pay you. I'll pay you. I will Venmo you for the ingredients. That sounds amazing. I love that. Second question, tools, technologies, trends that maybe you're reading up on, keeping an eye on, maybe even messing with, maybe even in the mobile space too. Is there anything you're kind of keeping your eye on right now? Tools. I guess it's kind of boring. It's very boring. It's mostly like app store stuff trying to get better at like ranking higher in the app store for anyone who wants to make an app. How do you do that? How do you rank higher? It's called apps. It's like app store optimization.

And it's very complicated. It's very, very complicated. Yeah. But that's my current thing. I love it. Yeah. I love it. I want to erase this. I have one thing that's way better. Okay. I'll erase that everybody. Just get that out of your brains. Yeah. Actually way more than that. I'm really interested in creator, um, like influencer based businesses. So this is like, like even prime that, uh, the energy drink or whatever. Yeah. Um, yeah. With the poll. Yeah. So it's like that. But also like, I have this, I am like, maybe all businesses moving forward are going to have an in-house influencer. Like I think- Girl, I could have an entire damn conversation about this because I 100% think so.

Yeah, I think because like that's the reason my business is doing well is because I'm an influencer. Like on my TikTok I have like 100 over 100,000 followers. What? No, I need to follow you. What's your TikTok handle? It's Boba Bria. Oh, I'm a follow you after this. Okay, great. Yeah. Yeah. So my like, so my business, because I have that, I now, can use my audience, I can nurture them more. So they go back to the app. And so they're just like, I have this very symbiotic relationship with them. And I feel like that's going to be the future of consumer businesses. That's what I'm very excited about.

Man, I hate that we got to this topic now, because I'm just fascinated by this. I mean, it will also shout out to gun. That's what I pitched them. I said, Hey, listen, if you want a guy that comes in that has been literally on the content trail for three years and has the attention of a lot of engineers across the country like. And I'm bouncing around within the I'm working with our product team because I know deep understanding of the talent marketplace side of things. I'm working with marketing because the content creation and branding and I'm working with our sales team because the sales leave them bring it in.

So, highly hot yes. I think most big business I think I think business is moving forward need a face to the brand. You need a mascot. We can talk about I could talk about this for so long because we need to park. So let's see it. Get alpha. They like a person more than a corporation. 100% 100% all right. Let's let's get part two. I get goosebumps when we get on something that's good and I got goosebumps right now. So we'll we'll need a part two for sure. Final question. The show is called guidance counselor 2.0 because we had guidance counselors middle school high school and college but now as adults we don't really have the guidance counselor a turn to what would be your biggest piece of career advice to young Bria.

This is probably the thing that I'm following right now. That has been insane for me as a as advice is to always have a mentor, one or two steps ahead of you. Just one or two, not five steps. Yeah, if you're a junior dev talking with a CTO like, yeah, But like, or even someone who's trying to break into tech talking to a senior engineer, I think that's too far. Just one of the steps one of the steps ahead of you. Yeah, so good. So good. Awesome. Well, y'all, thank you again for hanging out with us today. That concludes Guine's Councilor 2.0 with Bria Sullivan today.

I hope you all have a great rest of the day. Tomorrow, Unicorn Finders 930M Central, we're talking to a company who is is honestly like the plaid of HR payroll. So plaid is obviously that connector that integrates all your bank accounts to like mobile apps like Mint to track your spending. We're having a company on that's trying to do that in a HR payroll space for easy integration. So fascinating with that conversation tomorrow. And then Friday, two lives on Friday, VP of engineering out of India, he was referred to me by a friend. We're going live at eight a.m. So it's super early for me, but we're gonna do it.

And then 12 o'clock central, me and Alicia Novin We're gonna be doing our unghost series where we review resumes and LinkedIn's live. So, Briya, thank you so much for hanging out with me today. Stay on real quick, start because I bought you off air. But you all have a great one. Please go connect with Briya. Please go download her app in the App Store, rate it, review it, because that helps, I'm sure, now our rhythm is right well. And we'll see you all tomorrow. Peace. Hey, you did it. You listened to an entire episode, and I am very grateful, because you know why? There's a lot of podcasts out there.

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