balancing life with kids & mobile development w/ mazen chami sr. mobile dev

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all righty forgot to do one thing good morning everybody if you're hello gotta type this out real quick hold no no one's here yet if you do if you are here say hey real quick I'm yeah um uh you know what's funny I was actually chatting with um or I was uh I posted about this last night and tagged you and it you're you're you're my like fair not farewell tour by any means but like the last week yeah before before baby here so that's awesome yeah you're you're the last crew the last far ra for a little bit actually you know I've have not

taken off really like 30 days from this pod in four years so it'll probably be pretty good for me though wow when you get back dust off the cobwebs yeah I know I know good morning everybody all right so we're live on which is good um and I got the notification we're good on YouTube Sweet so good morning everybody Welcome happy Monday happy to have y'all here again if if if you are tuning in and kind of missed that little first part um so I am so uh baby number two is supposed to be here technically July 4th so it's next Thursday um hopefully it's

July 4th because an America babe would be pretty funny um uh but uh so so this is my last week of live so I'm taking off next week because I mean we're at that point just in like the the 12th hour the 24 whatever the saying is so this is a last week of lives um so very excited to have um Mazen chami did did I pronounce that right yes you did sweet awesome Mazen chami on the show um I had I had the pleasure meeting Mazen on infinite Red's podcast uh it's called is it react radio what is it react native radio react native

radio so really excited to hang out um with him today uh we bonded over some soccer so talking me little some soccer right now um but if you are watching and tuning in good morning welcome um the reason why I tell people say say hey please comment um is I want this to be a networking platform right so uh I've actually had two people find jobs indirectly from this show which is really really cool so uh the again the reason why I tell people say hey to comment and and definitely the comments are going on Tik Tok right now is because um we don't listen

meetups and I'm sure Maz and I could probably talk about this a little bit you can plug chain react here in a second but me meetups and conferences there there's definitely not a lot going on as as much as there was um there's definitely some Behavior shifts and so um what I realized is this is a networking platform right so that's why I tell people to say hey to to to comment to to show up because again showing up on live streams consistently is a form of networking you become familiar with that streamer that streamer begins to know you and then ultimately yall can Network

in the DMS yada y y so please say hey we love to hear from you I want to give a shout out um and really kind of plug a few things uh this morning first off G iio thank you again for uh hiring me thank you I think we're doing some pretty cool when it comes to hiring um we're kind of cutting out the middl men of recruiters um any any hiring managers can use us any recruiters can use us actually because we basically developed a LinkedIn recruiter where you search search our database which is pretty cool so check us out if you need to

hire Engineers um indors AI another cool uh company um that I really really like U my friend David running it basically when you submit your resume to a job posting um and the recruit on the other end searches your resume it they only search like chronologically right so it's like typically they search either for like the first person estimated the resume three days ago or the most recent resume that came through you know 24 hours ago what Endor does is it plugs into your um like ATS and basically it C it filters everything out based off their skill set as it relates to the keywords

you put into endorse and so you're actually looking at the applicants coming in that are immediately like a Fit for Your Role so really cool technology using some Ai and I think it actually provides better quality and better equ equality for candidates um instead of just doing a chronological um I do want to give a shout out to I didn't I didn't uh do a link to this but um if you're interested I can link to it but basically um digital oceans having a pretty cool virtual conference um they're hosting they're like yearly digital ocean where they're kind of like talking about all their future

products and stuff but there's a huge networking opportunity in it because it's virtual um so you'll be able to like be put in a bunch of other places um or other hubs and network with people at digital ocean speakers Etc so really cool um I I'll link it at the bottom of this after the show so again good morning everybody good morning good morning it's great to see you all right so uh enough of me ru my mouth because that that was a lot um Mike's good see you um Maz let's go and introduce yourself uh who are you what do you do um and

then we'll get into the nuts and bol of this conversation yeah so I'm I'm Mazen chami I'm a senior software engineer at infinite red we are a react native consultancy so if you have a mobile app that you want built in react native we are the go-to um I live in Durham North Carolina um and I'm also a soccer player and coach and a co-host of the react native radio like you mentioned yep and you are a fantastic co-host by the way that was a blast umh all right so a lot to cover this morning first off I do want to plug chain react right

big fans of of of the folks that infinite red and what you guys are doing and and I'm going to make it after this conference eventually but uh go go go ahead and yeah so chain react com.com um we yearly we host the only react native conference in the in the United States it's all react native based it's single track so you're only seeing one um speaker happening at a a time and it's great networking um I I can say that pre- infinite red I was a fan of infinite red I went to chain react and I was able to get multiple job interviews and

eventually form my relationship with the react native team with sorry with the infinite red team and eventually now the react native team um I'm also giving a workshop so we have beginner intermediate and advanced one thing I enjoy doing is teaching um helping give back to developers in the community so get your tickets on there um and use the r R coupon code for for some money off of your ticket is it is is it is it RNR is the RNR y so react native radio abbreviation there you go RNR get a few bucks off your ticket yeah you should go to it it looks

awesome and and it's in Portland right yeah Portland Oregon sorry uh July I believe it's 17th yeah Portland's great Ryan it's good to see you man as always all right so I I want to go ahead and and and dive in so let's talk act native for a second right because like like I'm a recruiter turned whatever I do now and you know I I I always I I do feel like when I and especially at gun you know we talked about this on the react uh podcast that that we did I'm definitely starting to you know see a little bit more uptic can react

native uh can you talk about really the adoption where it's at um you know I know I saw something on the Internet that like I thought like Facebook wasn't supported anymore I don't know if that's true or not but like oh I know can you talk about just a state of react native why people should look into react native because I feel like it's pretty pretty self-explanatory but yeah so like react native's like famous tagline is the right once build multiple right so it's like you write your code in typescript JavaScript and it eventually just makes it out to every platform right now you know

supports everything from mobile so iOS Android you you have tablet you have Mac OS windows um and vision OS apparently is on there a lot of big name apps use this like especially Facebook so this was built by The Meta team and the Facebook app uses this so that article that you you've sent usually the Skeptics just keep circulating that around right and way back in 2017 Airbnb wrote an article about leaving react native that article keeps getting circulated even though react native has come a long way since then um it's evolution is changing fast and it's changing almost daily right um I saw someone

in the comments mentioned expo Expo is pretty much like a partner essentially in the react native world and they go hand inand um I think right now I'm recommending a lot of Consultants a lot of uh companies when I'm Consulting for them is to leverage Expo and expo's quality because Expo has a whole team working on dedicated on their packages so you know you're going to get quality packages coming out coming coming out of it now a good sales pitch if you are a business person it's easy it's a it's an easy decision right to make because your your team is more efficient right so

if you think of it your current pipeline right now you have an iOS team and an Android in an Android team one team is usually lagging behind because of um testing or development or the feature might just be complicated in that language when instead your your teams kind of converge together they build build a feature faster and you're able to release it and test it much faster right um and usually the adoption right if you have people with react experience it's much easier to make that switch I say it's much easier because it's technically react with the native sprinkles you can teach the native side

of it okay um Native devs usually find it harder to leave a native world to come into a you know what they consider a non-native platform when at the end of the day it is a native platform right it just boils down to a native app at the end of the day you're you know writing the front end in in JavaScript and typescript yeah I mean to me it's a no-brainer right I mean again I'm not technical but like if you're saying that like you you could write you already have react in your Tex and you want to write a mobile something why don't you

just react native I don't know to me I don't know why honestly everybody doesn't everyone's on react is there a is there let me ask you this let's be honest with let's why why would you not use react native like because because I feel like everybody has react in their code Bas so but I feel like not everybody's using react name now granted not everybody needs a mobile app but like maybe what's what's like the biggest push back you guys get infinite Revenue so yeah I think a lot of it is business related right if if you if you think you're G to come in

and get like a 100% code reusability between your iOS Android and maybe say web what does that mean code reusable what does that mean so let's say you know I mentioned you write once and deploy everywhere right so let's say I write my code once and I expect it to function on iOS Android and web technically it's possible technically but some features are very complicated right so if you let's say you're doing Apple health kit stuff right yeah that automatically means that's a iOS specific feature right there's no point in doing Android there's no point in doing web um so you're not going to get

that 100% reusability right let's just say that off the bat um you might get close to you could get close to 90% it also depends on your company like you said like if the company already uses react on the web you could get close to 90 if not a little bit higher code reability I think for a business perspective why you wouldn't use react native that's a tough one for me to answer as a react native developer right because I'm I'm teaching everyone react native on a daily basis and I'm preaching the react native um the react native whatever you call it Mantra out there

but I think if it it when it boils down to it if you only have say one platform iOS or Android sure that could make sense if you have features that are very heavily like native modules that you've built and all that right sure you could do that but at the end of the day like you can easily plug that into react native and still leverage all that and still move faster right so personally is a bit I think the only reason you wouldn't use it is from a business perspective that makes sense that makes sense um uh jaro coming in here I'm about to

build my first app in react n very hype for this conversation yeah absolutely if you have any questions reach out um because ma is fantastic um learn react in college a few years ago but never used it afterwards um yeah it happens happens for sure it does yeah um so so I so I wanna I want to kind of talk about your career man I mean obviously we chatted backstage a little bit and and for those of you watching I told ma this backstage I'm going to kind of shift this not not tremendously I still love the kind of ad hoc conversations but I do

want to get into people's careers a little bit and kind of their story and how they got to where they're at so mod you're not talk backstage you're a big soccer proper football guy um talk about kind of growing up where you grew up at how you got to the states um and just kind of your journey into software development because again I I feel like those I feel like a lot of Juniors or mids kind of watch senior staff level and jors like oh they've always done it I mean at the end of the day we're all Juniors once so I mean can you

talk about your journey a little bit Yeah so I grew up in Nigeria West Africa my um great-grandfather moved there and our family just kind of deeply rooted there my my brother still lives there full-time um my mom and dad are there visiting him now too so that was that was a growing up in Nigeria I was mainly focused on soccer so I played a lot of soccer between the ages of 15 and 17 I I played at a very high level um I was recruited for you know moving to Europe and play out there but that didn't really pan out because my dad was

big on education focusing on education and that was something I culture too correct yeah and looking back at it absolutely in the moment he I wasn't his biggest fan right but but now I totally get it absolutely um it really helped prop me up to where I'm at now um so after that I moved to New York where I did my undergrad at Stonybrook University I played soccer there so it kind of shifted my my you know my goal poost essentially played soccer there um undergrad Information Systems then moved on to NYU where I actually I piloted their first um remote online learning program with

systems development which kind of works great now working at a remote company I kind of started a little bit early right um after that actually I kept leaning into my soccer um experience and then I started coaching so I coached kids moved down to North Carolina coached College moved out to LA coached the women's uh professional team semi-professional team out there um came back to North Carolina and when I came back I essentially decided to get a job back in Tech and keep coaching youth on the side um which I did up until my son was born two years ago yeah but um someone took

a risk on me um that's where I think a lot of a lot of this comes from right yeah um I interviewed for a job and I remember it was very laidback and halfway through I could tell that he scrapped his interview notes and just started asking me personal questions and to get to know me on a personal level yeah I mean he was asking me questions like Star Trek versus Star Wars um right so you know it kind of turned into a personal conversation at that point um he was like sure you know you're on board um let's get you started I was hired

as a HTML CSS developer but on day two I was he was pushing me to do PHP and my SQL and essentially found out two days into the job that him and I were going to build an e-commerce store from the ground up for the company so we work for an umbrella company that had about 10 to 12 brands in the US plus those Brands were marketed as a b Toc and Babb stores in the EU um I'm gonna fast forward a little bit here he ended up leaving I became supervisor manager of that company built a team out um with the help of recruiters

which is why I really appreciate you and kind of being on this call formed a really good relationship with the recruiter even though he was a Liverpool fan we got along I'll put it that way yeah and and just to set things you're a Manu fan right yes yes Manchester United since day one yeah yeah and my son has no other choice yeah so after that I moved into the startup World actually um where I was about at about four or five startups where you know come on board only technical person build the product up and then try and sell the product and kind of

move on through that cycle um at one point I needed advice to dig deeper into like Bluetooth and react native and all that so I saw chain react I went to chain react heard a talk on Bluetooth on the plane back literally my best comment on this on the way back is I fixed the bug that I had been struggling for for a long time so it was worth it uh for the company because then we launched our product we were doing an injury prevention device where you know athletes wear a device um and it kind of tells you how your recovery should be you

know someone who always got injured in college this was a great tool and I wish I had it in college um yeah and then interviewed at infinite red I was a huge fan of them you know especially pre and post chain react and now I'm here and you know they're giving me the platform to kind of do stuff that I enjoy you know code and gonna be on podcasts and yeah come on shows like this that's awesome that's awesome so we got a few questions I definitely want to ask you a few more questions about um you know kind of growing up in your career

but definitely had a few questions coming on the technical side because I know there's a little bit of a lag so so we'll we'll kind of PIV it back technically uh Jara comes in here can you give a quick procon for using react native versus ionic which is better for a long-term Dev career yeah you know he's gonna say react native come on now yeah I'll be honest I the little digging that I've done into ionic I haven't seen it grow as much and as fast as react native I think the biggest Pro or even just entering the second part of the question which is

the better for a long-term Dev career is um more large companies have invested in react native than have ionic right you have meta you have Microsoft um I could keep going on that list but I think those two alone can kind of show you how far it's going right so not just the Facebook app you know Instagram and some other apps out there use from the from the meta team and then you know apps that you wouldn't expect like Microsoft Word Microsoft Office the Microsoft Suite in general does use react native underneath the hood so Microsoft's not going to let office and PowerPoint and all

them die anytime soon right so they need react native to keep doing what it's doing um we have tox at chain react they're going to talk about how Microsoft leverages it and all that kind of stuff and quite frankly companies like Expo they use this all the time so they need their company depends on Rea native being around around um and I don't really hear that about ionic as much so that's that's where I would say the biggest Pro proon comes from and I would lean towards react native and for for context if you go to react native.

deev showcase you'll get to see a lot of the companies that use it right now re ja native and you see a lot of big names on there um and I've also put in um there's a blog post I have out on medium which um I'll share with you Taylor and we could probably post it yeah definitely it's basically the top react native apps out there that currently use um use react native oh yeah that cool and it links out to an article of all these right you have merari gas buddy those are two companies that we've worked for Facebook Amazon shopping Puma Tesla Alexa

that list goes on so I'll share that blog article with you and you can yeah yeah we should link it in the comments for sure so people check out and Gerard I I will tell this as as somebody who's obviously been in the engineering Tech space for for a while now um I would say we get a lot more react native jobs at gun iio than we do ionic and that's the same thing when I was at Veo my last company too react native for sure um but again if you want to go the overall I think the more tools and libraries and Frameworks you

can use know I mean the better right so the community is huge react native Community is huge and everyone open source Community yeah I don't think I highlighted that enough yeah absolutely uh Wendy comes in here would love to hear more about your experience with online learning role if you had you had yeah I could go into that so I started it was a two-year program where I did um systems management at NYU uh we started the first semester in person and then the I remember it was a marketing class we were in and the the dean of the program came in and pretty much

was like we need you all to be bought into this process we're planning on moving online um and it's an async going to be async you complete it whenever you want whenever you have the time to um and you kind of you know go from there you communicate with people as needed especially for your Capstone project you had to have uh weekly meetings with the professor um and it worked great because first of all if you live in New York you know this I had a 2hour commute to get to the city and what sucked about it was it was during rush hour so that

wasn't fun and I say Rush hard because the classes were in the night because a lot of people were taking night classes also um and it worked out perfectly for me because like I mentioned I moved down to North Carolina I still was coaching and as we were traveling on the road I got the I would do my work on the bus in the hotel as we were waiting when we were flying at the airport um and when I was driving out to LA actually remember I was in where was I I think I was in New Mexico or something and I stopped to spend

the night at a hotel there and I submitted My Capstone project while I was doing that so I got the ability to basically live the two lives that I wanted to live which is one stay in the tech tech scene and at the same time keep my soccer flame alive I love that it's very much you keep yourself accountable to complete it right because a lot of this can kind of kind of shift right you can easily lose lose track of when your deadlines are and all that kind of stuff and if you procrastinate that really doesn't help yeah absolutely absolutely um uh when he

comes just started walking welcome to Rex so I kind of get this soccer combo yeah I mean I I think great show great show I again as somebody who's in The Branding marketing content space I mean I I pull a lot of my inspiration from Ryan Reynolds and what he's doing so I think that's I think it's great um uh there is another technical question yeah uh TAA um uh if you text me 615 23556 I have a texting Community where I just send out when I'm going live because LinkedIn is really really bad um at notifying people um when when when we go live

um Mike biggest competitor react native right now is in my opinion it's flutter it's loved by many but flutter has its own programming language which can cause friction for adoption and also flutter doesn't natively support live updates flutter has a lot of is that a Google is it a Google thing yeah yeah it is yeah I would kind of agree and disagree with that St I think flutter is the biggest competitor but is is very far behind react native um at this point in time other other tools out there like cotland multiplatform so if you have an Android team it's essentially they build it in

Android and then the engine transforms it into an IOS app um I think a lot of companies are trying to get this to get like basically recreate react native but aren't getting close right now so maybe flutter is just young um but in my mind I think react native has a better developer experience and kind of gets all that done I did explore flutter at one point but I do remember a week in I was like this is way more complicated than it should be and react native just kind of took it all for me yeah M GES toour commute being from New York City

as well I feel you on that go I live in suff I lived in suff too driving everybody really res I go back to Brooklyn all the time my my wife is from Brooklyn we we're there multiple times and yeah the the pain uh you three hours to go like two three miles that's a normal day yeah yeah it's it's brutal I I haven't obviously because I've only tourist in New York City and I've only been stuck in like one or two Maj major traffic jams because you typically ride the subway and walk everywhere it's brutal man like it's so frustrating you just don't go

anywhere um uh I want to ask you this and again there's there's we're not going to get to some of these topics um but I I I want to ask you about I think not necessarily I think giving up on your dream I think is a little extreme with soccer but like can you just talk about because I feel like a lot of people uh try to hold on to things for a long time and they don't know when to like Let It Go and I know obviously like um I never played hockey at a competitive level but I would have Lov to have been

at where you were at and then having to give that up I'm sure sure was hard can you talk about that especially for people who may be struggling with maybe they're working somewhere and they want to give it up but they can't yet I mean can you talk about yeah for me like so when I was 15 16 you know teenager that's wants to do their own thing but you're not an adult you can't sign the contract for yourself and kind of move to Europe and do it all do all that my dad wanted us to keep the family culture together so didn't want me

moving out of home essentially but also wanted me to shift my focus on to the you know another dream and which eventually shifted to playing in college um and I think that framing was like look like even though this is where you're at where you want to be sometimes it's the grass is greener on the other side right I think me moving to the US to college did help me shift my focus did help me find other things I was passionate about um which eventually led me to where I'm at now and I think when I got to college I almost was kind of forced

into quote unquote retirement from that you know that level because I got hurt all the time I was pretty much in the training room all the whole the whole season my sophomore my freshman sophomore season um decisions are hard to make especially when you are in it and you feel like this is this is this is the way to go um I I would say like for me personally one thing I've I've learned is just I give every I give everything that I do 100% I jump in two feet in and I I learn from my mistakes I grow from my mistakes um and I

eventually you know find my way and find my path and I think giving up on soccer helped unlock the coaching aspect of it which eventually did bring me back full circle to working full-time in Tech which I really did enjoy do enjoy um and it's you know it's what I do right now I still play soccer you know weekly uh with some friends here in in the Triangle so give it a go I mean Life's too short to just say I'm gonna you know I'm still G to be here for another week just keep going do something you enjoy yeah absolutely and I think for

me I mean I think looking back on I don't really have many regrets by any means but but I think I think one of the things um is that I didn't experiment enough especially younger um especially with having kids in a family kind of doing you know whether it's you know traveling the world or or starting my own business Young right I just didn't have I didn't really I also wasn't like grown up in that environment right my dad worked a restaurant industry and and he kind of held that job forever right that was kind of that generation you kind of stay at the same

place and so you know my you know my my biggest thing now especially you know with with stuff in my life now it's like listen like life's short like just just just get after it right um and obviously you gotta think about your family and stuff um but for the most part like you know go after it I want to ask you this um it you know we talked about it back backstage a little bit just about work life balance working at home right you work for a remote company I work for a remote company we both have kids um you know I one thing

I'm pretty passionate about and actually like I I'm announcing this I'm saying this now not announcing I'm saying now to hold me accountable I I have felt um kind of like convicted or called or whatever to like start almost like a dad's group in Tech there's a lot of dads out there trying to I think I think a lot of dads struggle with the same of us talk to each other and so we think we're alone but we're really not so I want to ask you this man like how's it been working from home I mean I'm sure there's been some challenges what what are

some tips and tricks for folks who maybe dads who are about to have their first kid right and they're working from home or or uh you know maybe even talking about kids what what are some things to note balancing career and family life o I'll say this first and foremost it's not easy whether you are the the parent sorry whether you're the dad the the birthing parent whatever it is it's it's not easy um because you know you have to kind of see where your priorities lie right like family is very important working from home is great because you get the ability to step away

get some you know quality family Time come back um I do think you're right as dads or as here we go as males we don't really talk about our emotions as much we don't we don't help each other because we're expected to be strong and understand all this I think this group Tech group that you're talking about with Ds is great because it because it's hard um and it's something that especially if you're having your first kid you're kind of essentially walking the path on your own um I think one big thing that I a piece of advice I would give is use that opportunity

if you're working at home to fill your cup often with your family to kind of and then kind of come back get some work done and then kind of fill your cup again I think it can be very lonely because you're like you're forced to lock yourself in the room and get some work done and kind of help provide for the family but I think at the end of the day you're not going to be able to do that fun and comfortably unless you fill your cup with that family quality time so for me what worked for me was I would get some coffee hang

out with with with uh with my son when he was born for 10 10 15 minutes whatever it was can I get to see him in his element come back get some work done help my wife put him to sleep whatever the case is give her some some time during lunch like have her go have lunch outside while I while I watched my son kind of thing um and I hate to say it but like at this stage of he he's two now so he's kind of giving us a run for our money I think I told you list terrible two stage terrible threes whatever

however it goes it's every stage um I'm having a work nights right having work nights to kind of catch up get some work done but that's also because I made the priority that like 5:00 comes I'm going to sign off have some quality time with the family have dinner and then kind of come log on later um and get some work done and my wife's in the same situation um another thing for to make the day work one thing my wife and I do is we kind of have a um we have a a standup essentially where we have a weekly standup and then like

a monthly standup so the weekly stand-ups are like what's your schedule look like for this week where do I need to pick up um pick up some you know family responsibility so that you're able to get to that big meeting that important meeting that you have with you know my wife works with like NIH and the CDC so like those are big meetings where her career and her company kind of depends on it so it's like hey you're taking that meeting I'm GNA you know log off for a little bit take care of our son and then you know we can kind of go back

and forth and then our monthly ones we kind of talk about highlevel family goals and and all that kind of stuff so I guess talking being open um communicating and all the stuff that growing up um I guess my my parents are of that generation where growing up you're told not to to talk about that stuff but actually talking about it and helping figure out what the best path is for you and your family y yeah no I I I totally agree with that I mean I think it's definitely think it's a it's a balance for sure I mean I think you know even today

I think like calendar invites are huge like I don't know if you have a shared count like even today like uh something came up or my wife didn't send me a calendar invite and so we've kind of been scrambling this morning trying to figure out the day and so you know uh I communication is huge I would highly recommend having a shared calendar um she just sends me calendar invites to my work email and then we just kind of have it all on one calendar together um but yeah I mean I think I think balance I think communication is huge like you said um I

will say this is not a plug or anything I know nothing about this company but there's a company called Skylight out there okay and I think there's another competitor to them uh I just got one recently and only after I got it Taylor I'm being honest here I found that they were built in react native so win-win situation while I was putting together that blog post I found out they were built in react native but all it is is you know you and your wife download the app you upload your schedule to it and it's just a tablet that lives in your kitchen on a

wall whatever it is and you can kind of see high level what your meetings are and where the the conflicts lie and we use that daily like we wake up before Sun wakes up again Skylight I believe there's one called hatch or something similar to that I'm not exactly sure no Hearth something like that I'm not exactly sure a little a quick search we'll probably find it for you um and like you could do chores on there you could do like grocery lists on it so it's it's a great feature because we wake up in the in the morning before our oh yeah this is

it right here okay we like walk into the kitchen we look at the schedule and we're like you know like we talked about on Friday you still good for pickup good all right let's get breakfast ready and you know lunch and snacks rolling so I do recommend stuff like that I we did try what you mentioned um just sharing calendar invites with each other but I just got really muddled and all over the place I would get notifications for a meeting i' like wait I don't have one oh that's her meeting and have to kind of cancel you this is great because it's out a

glance right sure yeah absolutely absolutely no that's good I may check that out too that's cool awesome well y'all if You' struggle yeah all allinone smart family calendar looks good yeah it was a good Mother's Day gift I love it yeah yeah I love there you go there you go um all right so uh uh time flies we're having fun I knew this would happen um uh before we wrap up I kind of have four rapid fire questions um and so uh knowing you a little bit I know what a few um real quick do do you have do you have a country you want

the to to win for the Euros at all uh Italy I usually support Italy on the um on the international stage okay awesome sweet after traveling to Italy for two and a half weeks uh I'm a big Italy fan so for sure um and then also to a lot of our um us players are in Syria so exactly support the Italian team um uh one if and I'm sure I probably know the answer to this if if if you woke up tomorrow and you were told hey you can't do anything in Tech anymore what what and they're like but we'll give you the same salary

but you pick what would you do I'd go back to coaching that's what I thought yeah I go back to coaching uh coaching does not college would you coach kids would you coach like what level do you not College not College period um oh yeah I that's all I'm gonna say about that um it would either be youth or I would go back to like the semipro Pro level that I was coaching at in the past that's awesome another another plus one for Italy mik in the comments I love it um second question is uh what so I know you have a family I always

tell moms and dads on here you can't say family I know you love your family don't say family what do you like to do outside of work for fun for fun I enjoy TV watching TV sports um sports game so you know usually dependent on the season so it's either basketball sure usually just the playoffs or March Madness seriously um yeah soccer tournaments and then usually the soccer league out there um yeah like I can't say family but like outside of family and Tech you know it's usually what I enjoy doing right I'll usually code a personal app or help a friend out in the

community um I'm gonna throw this question because we got talk about Manchester United for a second uh do we like keeping Eric uh uh yeah do we like keeping him because I know they they kept him after they won the FA Cup right be beat city um do you like that decision do you like where they're heading yes okay yes yeah I'd like to give them more time okay yeah I'm big on the whole give a coach how long has he been there two years two years okay yeah I'd like to see him there for a little bit longer um first yeah I'm not all

I'm not big on the whole like the whole Chelsea model of fire four coaches in a season just because not sustainable whatsoever um I I have to ask this uh any Tech Trends uh I know obviously in the react native space but is there anything else you're kind of reading up on tinkering with that you're pretty pumped about that you want to share um so a lot of stuff that I'm tinger with right now is on the AI realm so I am helping a buddy of mine build a it's not necessarily a psychologist app but what's happening is it's a um we're calling it a

ventor app so if you just need to hop on a call with someone who's been trained in the psychology realm you basically get to hop on the call and they are being helped with AI so I'm helping this buddy build an app where um if you are the listener you get real-time AI that is parsing the audio and giving you uh tips based on what the person sounds like so their voice sounds a little bit down so let's work on getting them you know some positive energy positive comments and all that kind of stuff still early stage startup um they're they're kind of companies brought

out of the Middle East with all the conflict that's happening now and they're trying to help each other out um and that's one big thing that I personally believe in is like mentoring and giving back so it's something I do a lot of um and this kind of came out of a mentoring session that I was doing I wanted to start an app I had to kind of help him so a lot of AI tinkering is kind of where I'm doing on the side right now that's awesome man all right last question again thank you all for tuning in this morning the comment section has

been fantastic um if I didn't get to your comment I'm sorry I always try to move on the conversation can um uh but so Show's called guidance councel 2.0 because we had guidance counsels in middle school high school and college but now as adults we don't really necessarily have a guidance couns turn you ask for career advice so what would be your biggest piece of career Don't Be Afraid um I think moving into like that first job I mentioned where my cooworker took a um took a leap of faith on me I was I was scared because you know it was like first job in

Tech I I went in I I was a little bit reserved I just kind of didn't talk much and just kind of listened I guess that's the inverted developer side of me um and I when he started giving me more more and more responsibility I just felt like impostor syndrome was settling in hard so advice I would give back is you know be confident go for it um I think leaning on my sports background my coaching and kind of being a captain and being on a team in general um that's something that I should always lean on to kind of help me progress so be

confident imposter syndrome is hard to get over I think um I'm not sure who has mastered how to get over it instantly but it's hard right it's always in the back of your mind but one thing I would say is just you know you can do it just give it your all and you'll be okay yeah and and and my two cents on on um impost syndrome if you're experiencing impostor syndrome that means you're growing substantially in your life and your career because I dealt with it really really hard for the last I would say two years no three years ago and um I was

like what am I doing I have no idea what I'm doing and then now looking back on I was like I knew what I was doing I just had to have more confidence so um yeah if you're experiencing POS syndrome that means you're growing a ton well Maz thank you so much for for this for hanging out with me this morning I appreciate it thank you for for those of you watching go connect with him go connect with all the folks infinite red they're they're fantastic um I highly recommend them if you're looking for a react native project hiring manager decision maker in your it

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