let's talk about job boards - solo show

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Good morning, everybody. Good morning. Hello, hello, hello. Happy. Happy Monday. Got the candle going. Uh, As always, big candle guy. My wife got me a new candle. So we're burning a big candle this morning. It is tree trimmings. It smells like Christmas trees. So it smells like I have a Christmas tree on my desk. So we love that. We love that. If you have any favorite candles... Drop me in the chat. I want to know. I want to know your favorite holiday candle because I'm always looking to buy some more. I'm going to spend my kids' education fund on candles this Christmas. I don't know what y'all did this weekend, but the Destin family, we got our Christmas decorations up.

It's really early, but for those of you who did not know, me and the wifey are expecting our third kid soon. at the end of December. So we went ahead and put up the Christmas ornaments, the Christmas decorations now because we're going to take it down probably the day after Christmas because baby number three is going to get here Super quick. Yeah, new glasses. Also trying some new glasses. Let me know. If you don't like them, let me know. I'm honestly genuinely curious. Do you like the glasses? Let me know. Let me know your favorite candle too, right? A little bit of a grab bag this morning.

New glasses, favorite candle. We love that, Mark. It's so good to see you. Sebastian, it's good to see you too. Ricardo, and it's great to see you, buddy. Built a quite... Congratulations. Built a... Nice. I'm assuming stream desktop rig or steam. I don't know what a steam desktop is, Mark. Also, you with a raccoon. By the way, I've always wanted a raccoon as a pet. I just want to say that. I'm obsessed with raccoons. I think raccoons, I think I would love a raccoon. So Mark, I don't know if that's your actual raccoon, but I would love a raccoon. Yeah, so let me know if you like the glasses.

MRI, thanks, big dog. I appreciate you. I appreciate you. All right, so for those of you tuned in, welcome. Give a quick overview again. It's Guidance Counselor Two.O. Been doing this show for almost six years now. Six years, kind of crazy. Um, and, uh, uh, you know, for those of you tuning in, basically this whole, uh, show is just to really help you throughout your job search to give you practical, tactical pieces of advice to guide you through your job search.

Um, and, uh, for those of you tuning in who know what I do, um, you're probably like Taylor, I've, you know, you've, you've you've done some streams lately with no guests where the guests we're taking a break from guests i think it's always good to change things up i think if you have if you do the same content over and over and over again people people's eyes glaze over um and so uh um also too i just i've been so busy i just haven't done a good job of getting people on the show but it also really coincides um torque uh the platform we're about

to drop our new platform um it's coming it's well actually v one is already out so if you go check your tort platform um the the the new design is dropped it's really pretty um but uh we're gonna be able to control a lot of the content on the platform that's kind of the whole job of the community team and so uh one of the things i want to do is i want to work through publicly with you all um uh really just about how to find a job um and so i'm going to be doing pretty much solo shows for the rest of the

year um we're we're going to talk about how to practically tactically go through the job search.

If you have not caught my streams yet, they're on the Torque YouTube, Torque.dev YouTube. I've done a resume review stream, how to write a resume. I've done how to write a LinkedIn. I went over on last Friday, a tweet from Wes Boss. If you do not follow him from Syntax, great. uh great follow um and we went over just around the job search kind of a little bit of state of the art just state of the art state of the job search um so today i want to talk about job boards um for some reason this is not talked about enough um and uh and so i want to talk about it i'm going to pull up chat chat gpt um and we're going to go through this um but uh so for those of you watching please say hey we'd love to hear from you let me know where you tune in from what city state always love to hear we had some people from africa like two weeks ago on the stream so that was really really cool But first off, want to get through some housekeeping announcements.

First off, want to give a shout out to AppRite. I am a hero for them. AppRite hero program. Me and Jason Torres are both AppRite heroes. So go check them out. Great crew, great product, and highly recommend checking them out. If you do go check them out, please let them know the Torque Boys sent you. Also, listen, we have a lot going on and we're going to hit the ground running in twenty twenty six. I'm actually heading down to Atlanta tonight to meet up with Brianna and Jason for kind of some planning for Torque Community twenty twenty six. And but one of the two things I want to announce.

First off, I want to announce that we've launched our ambassador program, right? The signups, the signups are going to be open for another three weeks. Look at the calendar, probably close up the first week of December and We have fifty folks already signed up. If you were an ambassador last year, we need you to resign up just so we can have all the data in one spot. Also to see just how committed you are. Right. If you were an ambassador last year, you didn't sign up again. It's like, all right, well, no worries. But we're going to we're going to move on. Um, so please go sign up.

It's on the torque.community page. Also, if you want to go, if you scroll down a little bit more and you need a mentor, you know, one of the things we're really going to be focusing on more of is the mentor mentee program. Um, we, our first cohort, we had, uh, we had about ten, uh, we had about ten groups in our first cohort. I would say probably success rate is fifty percent, which is pretty good. So we have about five groups still going and about two or three groups really, really doing really well. And so we're going to fine tune it, make the mentor mentee program better next year.

So if you're looking for a mentor or you want to be a mentor, go to Torque.community, scroll down, sign up. It's going to be a great time. Again, we put more emphasis around the ambassador program and mentor mentee program. Again, we kind of have concluded year one of the Torque community team. A lot of it was just getting everything set up, getting things going, getting our process going. And so, uh, uh, twenty twenty six is about refinement, making things more meaningful. So we're super pumped about it. Also, listen, if, um, I'm getting a lot of texts lately, or a lot of tweets lately. Like, hey, I didn't know you were doing this.

Hey, I didn't know you were doing that. Listen, if you want updates on what we're doing at Torque, when I go live, you can text live to this number. This is actually my number. Almost hit me in the face with a microphone. That kind of hurt. Um, uh, Texas number. Um, when, when we do events, like we're going down, we're throwing a private event in Atlanta. I text the Atlanta people, right. I can like kind of segment off people based off where they're at. Um, and if we're doing cool stuff, I'm gonna text the group. Um, I get a lot of people tweet at me in my DMS going, Hey, I just, I didn't know you were doing this.

It's like, listen, like you have no excuse. You have a direct line to me with the cell number. Follow us on Twitter. I would follow torque.dev on Twitter. If I'm going to be honest with you, X, we do a lot of updates and blue sky. We're on blue sky as well. If you don't do X that much. So again, like we are all over the place. So really to be honest, and we're in the discord. So like really there, there's just absolutely no excuse. If you miss an event, we do again, our discord link is torque.dev backslash discord. All right. A few more comments this morning.

Tune in. It's good to see you, brother. Jeremy, it's good to see you. Yeah. New site looks dope. A hundred percent agree. Jason's good to see you, buddy. Hey, I didn't know you had a phone number. Yeah, I have a phone number. All right, cool. All right. So it's about job boards, right? Let's dive in. So job boards. Also, nobody put up, put up a candle recommendation. So I'm assuming none of y'all are fun and like Christmas candles. so job boards i do a lot uh i have a lot of conversations i uh do some like one-on-one like um uh coaching sessions on the weekends uh for people who really need more support um i i obviously if you need help jump into the torque discord everybody helps you um we have such a welcoming community but if you do want more one-on-one that's something i offer on the side um on the weekends And so I talk with a lot of people and I'm like, do you have your resume up on job boards?

And they're like, no. And I'm like, well, what are you doing, right? So I wanna go to, I'm gonna share, I'm gonna do some screen sharing here. So the first job board that I would recommend Well, first, I would recommend Torque. I mean, because we are a job board. We are a jobs platform. I would sign up on Torque, right? I have a referral code. DM me if you're not signed up yet. We'd love to get you on there. But yes, yes. Yeah, Magnolia had custom candles. I got a custom candle. I spoke at Magnolia a few years back. It is a great, great candle.

Naz, it's good to see you this morning. All right. So the first job board, and here's the thing about job boards, y'all. I would always have your resume on job boards. I would. Even if you're not looking, I would just have them up there. I think to the extent of how many job boards you have your resume on is another conversation, but I think you always need to have your resume on job boards. I'm going to share my screen. The first job board I want to talk about is Dice.

Dice.com was big in it's still big now again i i always i always reference my jerome hardaway conversation i have on guidance counselor if you go back on any app store you can go back and listen to it but uh jerome breaks down um uh breaks down all this stuff and breaks down his job search and and one of the the one of the biggest platforms again this is not sponsored by dice by any means but but but the biggest platform that he got the most success on is dice so dice you have to be in tech to be on dice right and and one

of the things that dice does in general is that dice judges your activity based off when you log in right which i think is a very simple thing you know as we continue down to torque platform and working with canon our head of product and kind of how job seekers operate i i dice dice has kept it really simple every time you log in to dice into your profile you automatically get pushed to the top of your uh to to to the very top of the job search of of the search criteria right and so for me when it comes to dice highly recommend it

right highly recommend dice get your profile on there it's huge right i know a lot of recruiters use it for tech it allows us to sift through the noise, right?

So prime example, CareerBuilder, I haven't really heard much about CareerBuilder, but let's say, so one of the difficulties that I've had when it comes to the job search when I was recruiting is that when I would go on CareerBuilder and I would type in quality assurance analyst or QA, I would get like construction workers, right? There's a lot of noise. And so dice.com does a really good job with that. I also too, listen, I can't believe I'm saying this. If you are on the job search and you need help on job boards, go to chat GPT, right? So let's work through this exercise together. So if I am a software engineer, what job boards should I be on?

what job board should I be on, right? So let's try this. Let's see what pops up. So for me, again, the whole purpose of job boards is that it's working for you, right? And I'm gonna talk about this again, but there's four buckets that you need to look at when you're on the job search. It's direct outreach, it's job boards, it's your actual contacts in your phone book, and it's networking events, right? Networking.

For me, a lot of times when i get on a call with these people who don't know about job boards i literally go to chat gpt and and i literally just chat gpt right so first off linkedin linkedin in general i think is a good place obviously to have your profile right stack overflow jobs i think is great right well found right this is another one former formerly angel-less talent right um best for startups right hire.com right reverse marketplace companies apply to you that's really cool i didn't know about that higher.com i'm gonna check that out torque.dev that's pretty cool i don't know if it

pulled up torque.dev because like in chat gpt i say i'm at torque.dev but the fact that chat gpt again this goes into kind of marketing and and not seo but ai seo like torque.dev right i think it's incredibly important otta.com never heard of otta curated startup and company listings including company insights again the the whole point is is is you got to use this stuff like use chat gpt to help start you on your job search right like they're like like there's a few like i have never heard of hire.com reverse marketplace companies apply to you and otta otta.com curated startup and tech i i've

never heard of those two right then it goes into remote first right so um there's remote okay jobs there's we work remotely there's flex jobs right and then you get into niche jobs right so so so this is so i had this on the slide For my keynote, all things open.

But let's say I want to get into AI and I'm a back-end engineer right now. What AI-specific job boards should I consider? yes i know that chat gpt that's why i'm saying it right so here here's some ai jobs.net arguably the best known ai only job board curated across ml data science ml ops that's great machine learning jobs global ml engineering and ai research listing um ai jobs global another curated site so again like if you're looking at these things like like again torque.dev that's pretty cool that we popped up right why com jobs well found again well found keeps popping up um if you follow pragmatic engineer he pulled a lot of data from well found um i would highly look into that right top towel it's kind of a competitor of torque Looking to them, Upwork, kind of the same thing.

I would be concerned with Upwork. They do, it's not a lot of full-time jobs. It's more kind of gig economy, but then also to brain trust, right? Higher end freelance networks, right? Community driven jobs, right? You know, again, of course, LinkedIn and Twitter get popped up. But again, it kind of, it starts to go through these with you, right? So again, incredibly important. I think auto change, welcome to the jungle. Yeah, yeah, that's funny. So for me, it's like if you are having problems getting started on your job search, Use ChatGPT to get started, right? Again, the whole point of job boards is that it's kind of a set it up once, let it work for you, right?

Now, here's where we're kind of going. And I talked about this in the resume stream I did last week. I would have a job board. I would have a job specific email if I were you, because here's the deal. You start to have these jobs. You start to have your resume on all these job boards, the incoming traffic. Now, will a lot of it be spam? Sure it will. There's always going to be spam when it comes to the job search, but that's why I truly, truly believe you need a job search specific email so you can keep track of everything and you can create folders and and and and be able to kind of track all that stuff right incredibly important let's let's walk through and also another thing too right i again torque same thing right join torque it's kind of a set it and forget it right if you this this allows you to cover a lot more ground right and so you know again going back to the four pillars outreach on your own like cold outreach, job, job applying, job boards, and then the contact list in your phone.

Like if you, if you have all those four working for you, you're going to be incredibly efficient on your job search. I think one of the biggest different, I think one of the biggest issues I see is that not a lot of people use job boards and it's just not talked about, which is why I want to do the stream, right? Like this, like the stream could literally be use job boards, use chat GPT and see what job boards you should look out. Thanks. Bye. I mean, we're kind of already there, right? I'm going to use this time up for the next fourteen minutes to ask questions, but that's really it, right?

Laravel jobs, right? I know Jason and the Torque team are really good friends with a lot of the Laravel people. Like, if you are in the Laravel universe, there is Laravel jobs. Like there's a actual job board just for Laravel jobs. Talking to Matt, Matt Stauffer, who I had on my show two weeks ago, right? He specifically says like he goes and he posts his jobs to Laravel job boards. I think the more niche you can get with job boards, the better, right? I would pick one or two general ones. Probably if I were to go on the job search right now and I was an engineer, I'd probably just do Dice and WellFound.

Those two seem to have the most momentum right now. But then if you want to niche down, let's say you're a front-end engineer, right? I would do, thanks, bye. Yeah, that's literally it. I'm on Dice. I get more spam. Yeah, I mean, again, like I said, none of this is going to be a sure fix, right? There is going to be spam everywhere. But again, I think being able to look and apply to jobs on Dice. And again, I think going back to the spam comment, and I think like in general, I think like... this is where it comes in like the more niche down you can be layer jobs there you go layer jobs i'm sorry layer jobs go check out layer jobs if you're on laravel uh ecosystem right so um i let let's let's walk through i wonder if i can like walk through um creating a dice profile let me let me see just for let me see here so looking to hire tech talent, start your job search, right?

So I'm going to do software engineer. So actually, I'm going to do specific, right? I'm going to do AI, Gen AI, Gen AI engineer, right? And then I'm going to type in I'm going to type in Nashville, even though there probably won't be a ton, right? So, all right. So here's, here's a few right here, right? Pretty simple, straight to the point. So there's a hundred and eighty, eighty-two results when I type in Gen AI engineer and Nashville, and there's six new ones, right? So this person is like here, right? So I'm going to see easy apply. Right. I mean, it's pretty simple, straight, straight to the point.

Right. So I'm going to do apply now and see what happens. Right. Uh, I don't think here I'm going to create your purpose here. I'm creating this account for myself. First name, Taylor, last name, Dessen. Um, again, for those of you listening to this, I'm going to regret doing this, but we're just going to use my personal email. Um, let's go through here. I'm going to create my password. All right. It already, it looks like I may have already had, let's see here. All right. Of course it's not working. Oh, wait, there we go. There we go. I'm in. Right. So again, kind of the same thing.

If you're in dice again, for those of you listening, I'm going over kind of what it looks like. You upload your resume, you upload your cover letter, right? and then then it spits out to profile right here right so again kind of a very traditional of a very traditional type of view from your profile perspective right incredibly important right i also want to go let me let me type in let me type in another one right uh i doubt anyone's going to email more than you already do yeah yeah a hundred percent um let's see here i want to go to the comments here uh Mark comes in here.

Crazy pain. That is a good point. I have my professional email. Then I have my email that gets all the spam. Sad we have to do it that way. Yeah. Again, like the job search is never going to be. Let's see here. Create a job board. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do as I say, not as I do, Emre. Don't use your real email. Let's see here. What's the difference between applying directly to a company's job site, i.e. IBM versus an Eric job board? Okay, so this is a great question by Sebastian. Glad you brought this up. Again, if you have any questions, please ask them because I'm going to be honest.

I'm pretty much at the, I'm just rambling at this point. Use job boards. Use ChatGPT, niche down, try to find the job board you want. If you want job boards to start, I would do Dyson WellFound. That's where I would start. So what's the difference between applying? So here's the deal. I've had this question a lot. I've talked with engineering leaders. The big thing when it comes to this is that there's a lot of spam out there, right? One of Pragmatic Engineer's latest blogs is, he talks about how there's like, on average, a thousand applicants per job. Like right now, it's one of these things where if, so when a company creates a job, what they do is they have an internal system where they can like write once and deploy all right using software terms if that's correct so we have i'm going to create a a React job in my internal system, I'm gonna press enter.

That then goes to the company site and then that goes to all the other sites, right? Now, what I have seen and what I've heard from other engineering leaders is that right now, they're only submitting their jobs to their company site because there's so much junk that they get from LinkedIn and all these other places to where, they only look at their careers page. Now, you're probably like, well, Taylor, that is directly the argument against of what you're talking about. I'm not talking about applying via Dice. I'm talking about creating your profile so that recruiters and companies can find you when they use the Dice tool to search your skillset.

Dice is still being used a ton when it comes to the recruiting side. Let me confirm that one more time. When it comes to using Dice, I'm not saying submit your resume to jobs in Dice. i am saying to go to the company page and apply directly to the open job and let dice be the place that companies and recruiters find you right so again every every every every platform it has like a two-sided marketplace right there's the employer side And there's actually three sided. Right. So it's employer side. It's the recruiting side and it's the talent side. Right. I'm saying for you, create your profile, get it on dice and then just forget it in a way and let you have the opportunity to get caught up in the searches.

Yes, it is tedious. It is very tedious. But that's the stuff that cuts through the noise right now. Right. So prime example. So if we go back. so so let's so let's work through this exercise right now right so let's go to here here use dice to find the jobs apply exactly right so we're gonna go here right so m progen okay so we're gonna go to linkedin okay we're gonna go to m progen companies. Now, of course, M Progen isn't there. This is what I was afraid of. It's not going to work. So then my concern is, is that job fake or is it old, right?

So this is kind of what you have to cross-reference, right? So right here, right? So let's do... So it is funny, right? So I typed in Gen AI for people listening, the search criteria. This is why it's tedious. Gen AI engineer in Nashville, up to thirty miles. And then if you look at the rest, it literally pops up other... Remote or Irving, Texas. Remote or Humboldt, Michigan. Right? Remote. Remote. So the way Dice's algorithm has it is that they essentially... They essentially pull the data. If you type in a specific city, they type in the data or they bring you the data with terms. If it's remote, it's still going to pop up in the search engine, in the search you did, right?

So all these are remote, which is really interesting. So that means there's actually no positions in Nashville, which makes sense because Nashville is kind of behind the eight ball when it comes to tech, right? So if you're looking through this, Hey, look, there we go. We're on set digital, right? So what I would do here then is like, all right, well, then I'm going to go to, I'm going to go to labor technologies, labor technologies. And I'm going to, so let's try this, right? L-A-I-B-A, L-A-I. Let's try this. There we go. Right. So here we go. Right. So then we go here. Right. And then what I would do is I would go to about, I would go to their website.

And again, I know this is tedious, but this is something that cuts through the noise. Right. Okay. So they're a staffing company. Interesting. Right. So then what I would go is I would go to career. go to career yep and then there and there's all the roles right there so then i would apply directly here again definitely it takes some time for sure but it's incredibly important um let's see here oh that makes sense so just make a profile in job boards and apply directly yes a hundred percent um but create a profile anyway yes yes absolutely because again when I'm an agency recruiters, agency recruiting space is massive, right?

Agency recruiting space is massive. And so for me is that you got to be on the sites that they're search on, right? Let's see here. You have to, you have to have two screens, be able to cross reference off. It's literally checking to see if it's in the database or not a hundred percent, because then a lot of these websites probably don't, um update their data so then you have to look if it's if it's if it's real right um nods in agreement fantastic all right so again to recap minutes of just rambling at the end of the day it comes down to leverage job boards niche down into your job board specific right then create your profile in those job boards and then set it and forget it.

You can use those job boards to find jobs like the exercise we just did in Dice. But my suggestion with you is I would actually, I think it's an easier search, to be honest with you, just going to LinkedIn, search open jobs. Also another thing too, this kind of gets into another stream I'm going to do next week, but I'm just going to show you this now for the people who are here. If you go to, if you go to type in jobs and you type in, I'm looking for, let's just say I'm looking for a Laravel developer job. You can type in the word Laravel developer here in the search engine, in the search bar in LinkedIn, right?

And this is what pops up on the page for those of you listening on audio. When you type in this search bar on LinkedIn, Laravel developer, it brings up the people that could be Laravel developers. It brings in posts, right? So this person, Pedro, he's looking for a Laravel React person, fully remote right here. That was two weeks ago. I'd still probably message him, right? Then it goes down to jobs right here. And then it gives you groups. and then it gives you companies i actually think this search dashboard right here is incredibly incredibly um uh valuable it's very it's very zoomed out right so so so let's type in another one let's say i'm trying to find a gen ai engineer role right so we're typing gen ai engineer in the search bar on linkedin then look jobs people posting right so michelle uh is looking for an ml ops person um two days ago right so if you're an ml ops i would just go straight to the source message michelle right um there's another one uh syramitra is posting three weeks ago that they're hiring a senior ml engineer at adobe Then you scroll down some more.

Then if you want to connect with other people who are Gen AI specific, you can connect with them. Then they show the groups that you can join into on LinkedIn to engage with people, and then they show you more jobs. also as of note if you went to a college or any sort of boot camp or whatever it will automatically populate the people so there's three hundred thirteen alumni from the university of south carolina at deloitte right again i'm gonna do a whole nother stream at this but i would click that and go through and see who i know there so again incredibly impactful um i recently did a stream um I recently did a one-on-one with a director of engineering who's kind of niche.

And we went through that. He's like, I had no idea about that. So again, incredibly, incredibly important. All right. That's all I got. Use job boards. Create your profile. Get very niche. Let these work for you, right? Create your profile. Make sure it's just like Torque. It's like I told you about Torque. Take thirty minutes and create your Torque.dev profile. Make sure it's really, really up to date. So then the recruiters at Ronset Digital can find you. Same thing with Dice. Create your profile. Make it really, really, really make it really, really detailed. So then recruiters, agency recruiters who are using Dice can find you.

Let job boards work for you. Anyways, y'all have a good one. That's all I got today. Heading to Atlanta to be with the team. Me and Jason are going to do our resume reviews this Wednesday. live together. So that'll be a blast. So jump in the discord. If you want your resume, LinkedIn reviewed torque.dev backslash discord. Otherwise y'all have a good one and I'll see you on social media. And for those of you in Atlanta, looking forward to our meetup Tuesday night. So hopefully this was a value to you. If it was obviously would love if you could repost it and we'll see y'all on the internet.

Y'all have a good one. Peace.