taylor desseyn

guidance counselor 2.0 · episode 72

why finding your why is important

aug 25, 2021 · 13 min · hosted by taylor desseyn

key takeaways

  • journal with pen and paper about what you like, dislike, and want before interviewing anywhere.
  • when an offer comes quickly, ask the company or recruiter how long you have to decide.
  • check if a new job actually solves your why before accepting it.
  • recruiters respect candidates who are honest about still interviewing and setting timelines.
  • don't stay somewhere just because you're scared of leaving; you'll likely be there only two to five years anyway.

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All right, so finding your why. All right, now this is assignments to neck thing. If you haven't checked out assignments to neck, he's great, check it out. But there's so, it's so important with the job search, right? So right now we are in unprecedented times. We are in a time of hiring. So I've been recruiting 10 years this year. I started my career in 2011. And now it is 2021, it's 10 years in October. I've been recruiting. That is not normal. And what I've seen this year, or actually, I'm this year in the last three to four months, is unprecedented. And I don't know if it's going to slow down anytime soon because what you've had is you've had 2020 people higher, but not really because they were trying to figure out what's going on.

Well, now people trying to make up for hiring for 2020 and then do their normal hiring for 2021, right? So really, you're going to probably be behind for another year or so hiring. So companies are all over the place. And so for me, I've talked with a lot of candidates lately. A ton of candidates lately. And this live session actually stemmed out of a conversation I had last night or not last night, yesterday afternoon with a developer in New York, had a good conversation. And basically like, this individual, what I'm seeing a lot is offers are coming in fast, the Queen of what's going on.

Offers are coming in fast. So the point where this individual has just started their job and the search and pretty much is already going to get an offer like a weekend. And this individual is like, hey Taylor, like what do I do? Like do I take this offer? Like do I sit around? Like what do I take it? And then I keep interviewing and then do I leave? And I was like, no, don't do that. I'm burning some bridges, don't burn bridges. So I want to talk about kind of some strategy in your why, right? Because I asked this guy, I said, I said, hey, hey man, like why are you looking?

This individual goes, I haven't been promoted in eight years. I've pretty much had same salary, I'm way behind. And those are the two big things. I said, okay, so does this new offer, Stephen what's going on? Does this new offer give you those two things? And he said, yeah, I said, okay, well that's something you need to think about because offers come in quick. But if those offers cover your why, you may need to take it. Now what I told this individual, I said, hey, listen, what you need to do is I would tell the company, hey, I'm flattered, like I just started my job search.

I don't want to string you along. I'm very, very interested in this opportunity. Like how long do I have before I need to accept this offer? And here's the deal, that may sound uncomfortable and it may sound kind of weird, but I'm going to tell you this. Like the companies like that, recruiters like that, right? Like recruiters like I enjoy that. When a candidate comes to me and goes, hey, listen, like dude, I'm super jacked up. You got me an offer this fast, but like I'm still interviewing. I'd be like, all right, that's fine. Go ahead, keep interviewing. Like let's stay, you know, but here's the amount of time you have.

Right? So that's what people need to be mindful of right now where it's like, all right, listen. I got the offer very, very excited about it, but I need to keep interviewing to kind of see what's going on. But the big thing is is your why, right? So many people are wanting to look for jobs right now because it's like, hey, hey, everyone's hiring. I'm going to go stick my toe in the water, see what's going on. But then what happens is you waste my time as a recruiter. You waste another recruiter. You waste all the recruiters' times and your own dang time. So let's face it, finding a job is a full time job.

And then you're sitting here and you're like, man, like actually this job, is it right for me? Well, why isn't it right for you? Well, I don't know. That's the problem. That is the problem. If there's anything you need to get out of this session this morning is I'm sick and tired of talking to job seekers. And I go, well, why is this not a right fit? And that job's here, you're going, I don't know. I mean, you don't know. Like that's the problem. Honestly, recruiters get a bad rap and I get it. But a lot of times job seekers, y'all don't know why you're doing what you're doing.

And you're also not asking good questions. And so what I will tell you, what I will tell you is I think you need to make sure like I told this guy said, hey, listen, like turn off all cell phones, turn off your computer, sit down, put on some jazz, whatever your favorite chill music is, my jazz. And then just right, just journal, pen and paper, man, pen and paper, pen and paper, pen and paper. What you like about your current job, what you don't like what you want in the next, right? Because too many times job seekers, jump in, don't ask questions, don't evaluate. And then honestly, screw themselves even more than in the new role than they would have if they just stayed where they're at, right?

So that's incredibly important. I want to get some shoutouts to people. Cathy, what's going on as good as you also, if you have any questions, comments, concerns, at me, comment, throw them up. Let's talk about it. Let's talk about it. Finding your why, again, at me, company, let me know if you have any questions. And let's talk about it. Again, this is an open form for everybody. Rob, good morning, man. It's good to see a big dog. Hope you're doing well. Ty, Rome, back to back days. I appreciate you, man. Frank, what's going on from Boston? I was a, I was an hour away from Boston this last week in Newport.

I should have made the road trip. But so, I mean, that's really it, right? I mean, it's pretty short to the point, but like you really, hey, look, Ty, Rome, this is why we do this. Hey, listen, Frank, Ty, Rome, y'all connect, right? This is what it's all about. This is what it's all about, right? I love that. I love that. Interesting topic, good problem to have. Yeah, I mean, Elliot, listen, it's a good problem to have when you can start your job search and like immediately, like getting off for in a week, right? Now, this individual is fantastic. It is a fantastic engineer. They are very, very, very good at what they do.

So, yes, it is a good problem to have, but like I get where he's coming from. I get where this guy's coming from. He goes like, I haven't taught anybody else. So, and this guy, so it's so a little color behind it too. Color behind it. He's been at the same place for eight years. He's been at the same place for eight years. And then he's gonna make his first jump, his first jump. So he's like, man, do I just go with like the first person? And that's what I said. Man, like you gotta figure out, does this company solve your why? It does. Okay.

Does it solve like his thing was his pay and leader in like just a promotional track? And he goes, yeah, they have it. I said, well, then I think you may have found something. Here's the deal, right? Gone are the days, and I'm talking about this in a whole another session. Gone are the days where you stay at a company for 10 years, right? Higher managers, if you watch this now or in the future, sorry, you probably get somebody for two years, three years, maybe for maybe five, not much longer than that, right? You know, this guy that interviewed yesterday, he's been there for eight years, like props that company for keeping him.

So companies, right? Like, you know, you gotta keep your people. That's a whole nother separate issue, but also can. It's like, you need to do research, right? I'm gonna say this, this is a little counterintuitive. You need to do the research. You need to obviously do the why. You need to go through the steps, but like, hey, at the end of the day, like, if the position sucks and you're there for a year or two, like, hey, I hate to say it, but you can bounce. You can bounce. Now, you don't bounce three months in, you don't bounce six months in, right? Do your time put into work, be respectful to your employer, but listen, like I hate to say it, but man, don't beat yourself up with such a, it's a big decision, but also at the end of the day too, it's also not as big as you sometimes people make it.

Yes, it is a huge step. Yes, it is an ex step in your career. Yes, there's a lot involved with benefits and how it works for your family and work life balance. Like, I'm not saying I'm not diminishing all that, but at the end of the day, you don't stay at places for 10 years anymore. So take a little pressure off yourself. A few other comments, but Queen, so on point. I tell people all the time, if you don't know what you are running from, you'll run, write, back into it. That'll preach, but Queen, you're just bringing some nuggets this week. I appreciate you with a young girl.

That's so good. So I'm gonna say this again, I tell people all the time, if you don't know what you are running from, you'll run back into it and hard. When you put that on a shirt or something, Pedro, it's gonna see a man good morning. Been looking for works since January, keep my head up. Yeah, absolutely man. Hey, listen, keep grinding. It listened, the average job seeker is six months. Six months. Yes, but you're like Taylor, the market's crazy, you talk about the market being crazy. Yeah, I do, but also too, it's not for everyone. Sometimes you gotta grind, right? So Pedro, keep out of body, giving you words of encouragement today.

Do something every single day, one conversation, intentional day, get a new lead, get a new connection in your network, cultivate those connections, et cetera, et cetera. Jordan, back at you two, man, keep grinding, stay positive. And we talked about this. I've talked about this. We recruiters and higher managers consents desperation, consents anger, consents bitterness, right? The more you push, the less things are gonna happen. So be you, be cautious of that, but also build relationships. It's relationships. It's going deeper, not wider. What about being older, still horrible? Absolutely. Now here's the deal. I talked about this in previous episodes. Here are the issues with young people and old people that I see.

Young people that they think they know everything and they deserve everything. And then they come across as jerks and interviews. Old people are crocheted and haven't innovated in their career, right? Now, if you're old and you've innovated like and your resume shows it, then you're good, right? I have not experienced ageism. I haven't. I just haven't experienced like people being rejected. I've had older people get rejected because they're not easy to work with and they're terrible communicators and they have an innovating their career, right? But there's young people who've done that too, right? So again, doesn't matter your age, at least in my experience, I know what's out there.

I'm not naive, but make sure your resume's good. Make sure you're kind. Make sure you're innovating. If you haven't innovated, take on projects, free work, get that experience. Yeah, Jordan, that, hey, right here, Jordan, right here, this is when you know you're doing it right. You have no concept of time anymore. If you're more focused, if you're more focused on building relationships and finding a job and not necessarily worried about like offers falling through and stuff, you're gonna be more successful. My job is a complete blur because I'm more passionate about building relationships one on one than getting somebody placed. Because at the end of the day, placement's great, but I'm more concerned about the individual.

That's how you need to approach the job search. Absolutely, man, I appreciate it. Morning from Michigan. I love it, Andrew Coughman. What's going on, dude? Thanks for tuning in. All right, y'all, so that's it. Unless there's any questions, that's all I got today. Find your why. Find your why, write down pen and paper, not on cell phone. There's just something different about pen and paper. Write it down, find your why. If a job comes to quickly be communicative with that recruiter, that company, hey, listen, I'm flattered, et cetera. And then do some digging, do some soul searching, but again, don't put too much pressure on yourself, right?

At the end of the day, you're probably gonna be at that company for two, three, four years, eight or five. Or maybe you hit the jackpot, you're there for the rest of your career. But again, ask questions, be aware, don't black out in interviews like I talk about. Again, thank you all for tuning in to guys' counselor today. I will be live tomorrow morning, 9.30 AM Central, put it on your calendar, and I hope to talk to you soon. Thanks y'all, appreciate it.

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