band to bartender to developer w/ chance strickland sr engineer at replo

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alrighty I say we're live it says we're live but it takes a second to to hang to to to hit the interwebs what's going everybody good morning uh I want to wait until LinkedIn is live because um uh the last thing I want to do is get this thing started with chance like I've done before with previous guest and uh it's not live on LinkedIn we gotta restart again so all right cool just got the notification we live on LinkedIn YouTube all right what's going on everybody good morning morning happy hump day uh I've made it back from South by Southwest I have survived I

was in Austin for the last five days um I was telling chance backstage it was uh it was a crazy experience awesome experience you have not been to South by I'm G to put out some content probably the next week or two just about how to navigate it for those of you who like just go to code conferences like you know these engineering conferences we all go to it's very different it's incredibly different so um I'm going to probably pu t out some content because I I would I would advise I mean you know especially if you're a developer looking for work I mean there's

so many Founders there um to get connected with so definitely want to put out some content to help folks but it was great so we are back today um and I'm hanging out with chance chance thatw so chance power social media right so chance like I've known of chance for a while just because of Twitter Tech Twitter and keeping up with him and and then you you obviously w ere were super kind and and gave me some props with you know my recruiting background and so then I messaged chance because then I saw something else about him being a bartender and getting in Tech I

was like man like I gotta catch up with this dude so chance thanks for hanging with me this morning man I appreciate it yeah of course thanks for having me um so before we dive in first off say hey we would love to hear from you the reason why I tell people that is it's a networking platform um you get to hang out your pajamas at home engage ask questions and also network with people in the DMS that show up to the show so please do that let us know where you're tuning in from we love to hear from you uh the second thing is

um I want to give a shout out to uh my partners on the show so that conference being the coffee sponsor of the show so Clark and conference appreciate you all and then the premier platinum gold whatever whatever you want to call it sponsor render ATL picked up my podcast for two years in a row so render thank you thank you all I appreciate y'all a ton um so go check them out June 12 through 14th it is going to be a blast this is going to be a blast chance are you gonna be there uh yet to be determined working on that TBD sounds

good chance is TBD but and I and I'm kind of TVD too I was just to throw out there I've been to render every year since it started uh always had a blast so I think I saw you there last couple years so it's always a lot of fun yeah so I was not there for year one but I was here for year two and year three and it was uh it was a ball so uh Colin it's good to see you Colin just got a new job also too want to do this if you've gotten a new job or you've gotten a promotion or

something please thr in the chat we' love to celebrate you first off all y'all are really freaking bad at talking about yourselves in the interview process so I'm trying to get y'all to talk about yourself and brag on yourself for a second so please throw it up in the comments um and then also to I just want to celebrate you because I think we as humans we're always on to the next thing so so Colin congrats on the new gig buddy um and I appreciate your support as always so chance let's let's dive into it man who are you what do you do and we'll

go from there yeah so uh my name is Chance Strickland and I am a software engineer out in San Diego California I work at a company called repo we are building an app for we've built an app uh that provides uh n o code tools for merchants on Shopify to build landing pages and uh uh we have a mission to uh simply make life better for people who run e-commerce stores and so um that's kind of my my day job but I have uh my background in Tech uh goes back a few years and before this I worked a lot in the open source space

um if you are a front-end developer uh building on react you've probably used some of the tools that I've maintained over the years I worked full-time on a library called REI a few years ago and uh built that out and we had uh quite a lot of success and saw that Library sort of um Inspire the birth of many many other really great UI libraries out there um another which that I worked on after reach called Rix UI um worked on a team called modules there before they were acquired by work OS um and work full-time on that library before I jumped back and I

worked with the same guys who ran reach uh but this time they pivoted and started remix so uh for all the react developers out there about probably familiar with remix a full stat framework for building web apps so I was on the core team uh building Out remix for a while and did that for a bit before they were acquired by Shopify and so I spent a brief bit of time as a Shopify employee but before jumping over and working on a startup to serve Shopify Merchants so um that's kind of like my background in a nutshell since I and that's all kind of like

since I moved to California I'm originally from Atlanta Georgia um lived a little while in Nashville Tennessee it turns out I was Taylor's neighbor for a minute and we had no idea we've got so much uh to I think we like a lot to talk about in terms of just like how crazy it is how much we have in common and how much overlap there is and somehow we just never ran into each other back here it's nuts it's nuts it's it's crazy it's crazy so so let's talk about it man so first off you know I originally hit you up because you talked about

getting into Tech from being a barte nder let's talk pre-tech life man because I know you and I were both doing music um and and you know you a bartender I was serving tables in the restaurant industry in Nashville um and then we both obviously made the huge transition so talk to me there's obviously a lot to unpack here but I I tell what let's start how did you get your first job in Tech right let's let's let's start there and then I think there'll be obviously some sidebar conversations sure yeah so it's it's interesting to me because I'm I'm not actually sure how to

answer that question because I don't know how to define job in Tech because my my first job post bartending life kind of introduced me to that to some degree it was a so I was a Communications major in college and well before that I was an archit I studied architecture for three years oh nice before I switched majors and uh settle on communication and then graduated in the the very uh interesting time of 2008 2009 um and so that was yeah yeah that that was a fun experience uh if you think getting a job now is hard um I was was it I mean was

it do you remember enough I mean would you think it it was still more difficult then it is now dude it it was traumatizing of course I remember it um it was a yeah it I'd say absolutely well I guess it depends on where you are in life experience level I was right out of college more difficult for me to get a job then yeah I was out of college I had no like professional experience it's all P you know contextual and perspective but that was my perspective and that's kind of how it shaped my my entrance into the career world and so the first

job that I actually took that wasn't uh serving drinks or or food was at a PR agency where I worked as like I I I'd gotten like a brief St it was supposed to be a three-month internship at this PR agency where I was filling in for a graphic designer who had got on maternity leave um and this was uh through a a contact I literally met waiting tables I she we just stru ck up a conversation awesome uh we're chatting about you know what I did what I was hoping to do in college and all this stuff and and I you know studied communication

but my my concentration in my major was uh graphics and digital media um and I had always like tinkered in design and and brought that up and she was like yeah our graphic designer is going on maternity leave we need somebody to fill in do you want to apply and gave me your business card and then I got that job and and then that sort of transitioned into an extension of an internship which trans IED eventually into a full-time offer and so that was in like technical writing design there was kind of a lot going on there I was doing several things because I had

sort of dipped my toes into all of the things that adjacent to the pr World apparently that I never even knew existed before that but then they found out I knew how to write HTML and we're like hey we have this newsletter that we do um it's it's an email newsletter and we were Contracting with this guy who literally handw wrote the entire HTML email by hand which is when you know what goes into writing emails email code it's kind of ridiculous and so um but but that's what I did I jumped in and I started coding out those emails and um it was very

very rudimentary stuff but that was I guess my first tech job yeah because I was technically writing code I wasn't a developer or anything I think they were paying me like 30 grand a year so it wasn't anything and at this point in time I used to throw this out there too I didn't even know web development was a job you could have like this never crossed my mind the only reason I knew how to write any code at all was because in high school I played in bands and we had we had needed to have website and we needed to have a MySpace we

needed all these things so like this is the only reason I knew how to write any code was because and it's the only reason I know how to do anything honestly in life is because I probably related to music somehow I was in a band and the band needed something and I had to learn how to do it so um I you know I just I I like tinkering on the computer I knew a little Photoshop I could make band flyers and so that transitioned a little bit into making websites around like like slicing up images and stuff like that so all of the stuff

that I've learned up to this point in my life like kind of everything points back to that time in my life when I was in a band and I just needed to do something and we had to learn a skill to make it happen and and it was it was Myspace right well before Myspace it was geoc cities we launched a a website on geoc cities uh with just basically just sliced up images that create I it was barely website but at the time that's what you had Myspace came out and every everyone moved to Myspace and you could go it was a free-for-all there

because uh you know it's social network but it was a social network that let you write your own custom CSS to make it look like whatever I think was brilliant like oh of course yeah if we're being honest like Myspace like I think fueled a lot of us to be developers yeah absolutely also too some of y'all need to be humbled and realize that y'all you're like you're not in someone's top eight can you imagine if we have a social network now where you ranked people now in today's world yeah kind of wild especially I don't know I feel like the internet has shaped people

to just sort of be ruthless in some ways so yeah like and it was it was it passive aggressive because people would take you out of their top eight like it wasn't even adding you to the top eight it's like once you made it you had to fight to stay there so wild yeah you know we should got forbid you go through a breakup because then God forbid then you're someone aim status you get out of the top eight it's like it's a whole thing yeah it's a disaster um do do you remember at all what song okay okay here here's a crazy question do

you remember at all one song You Had uh for like the song when somebody hit your profile mine was a day to something a day to remember it honestly I I've got such like I can't focus on things very for very long so I it I shift around a bunch so it changes and also just for some context to the the types of bands I was in over the years changed a bit too so whatever was on my my MySpace was reflective of what I was playing at the time sure so my my first band my first real band was a metal band and so

we it was like a new metal thing which not new like brand but like in you metal you know like the really cool yeah there's like different flavors of metal kids these days I don't know if they know these terms but um I remember the band Seven Dust was uh brought up as a comparison a lot and so i' had like played some Seven Dust on there but then I that was a very very short run like I was still trying to figure out my identity at this point in life and then I started hanging out with skateboarders and play punk rock and um shifted

over to like more pop punk stuff so um I who who knows and then there was some emo thrown in there towards the end and lot of emo My Sal oh yeah remember I was actually the screamer of a band for a brief time too so I was doing that I I don't know that I could do that anymore honestly I don't know how I did it in the first place but the answer to that question it was it was all over the place I probably change that song once a week for I love that so much going on memory lane top eight and what

your profile music was um so I do want to talk about being in a band right I mean you and I were both in bands I was a drummer um you know and and and you and I were joking backstage just on how how much I've learned I did a podcast recently with um oh what's it called the guy had a cat it's a cat ah shoot what's his what's his name I'm sorry dude he he it was a fantastic interview and I'm drawing a blank um I think it was like Alex codes or something lik e that but we kind of dove into my

music background and how much I've learned from it I mean can you talk to how Scrappy you had to be in a band and kind of what that taught you or maybe some things that you took away even that you use now yeah absolutely the so I mean going back to what I was talking about earlier with with building band websites it was basically like everything was everything that you needed to do to promote your band was in service of of playing the music right like you you wanted to play music and you wanted to play in front of people and you wanted people to

know who you are you didn't want to play to an empty room so you need to get them out um so but before you even could do that you had to get the gig in the first place right so there's a few different pieces in there that have nothing to do with actually playing music um all I wanted to do was play but you have to do other things in order to do that if you want other people to listen so right um yeah just getting gigs in the first placement getting your name out there and well how do you get your name out there

you it's no different than a career right you have to network so like I think very very first thing you learn to do is just talk to people it's crazy um and and promote yourself to a degree which is for a lot of people very uncomfortable to do but I find or at least I found at the time promoting yourself is a lot easier if the thing you're promoting is something you really love doing um love that so love that you know a lot of people are very uncomfortable with with promotion with self-promotion I'm I'm up there too I'm I'm pretty uncomfortable with it for

a lot of things um but I could talk about myself if I'm talking about in the context of something that I love and something that I'm confident in and with music I was I wouldn't say I was confident maybe I was overconfident at the time looking back I was like no I wasn't very good what what was I doing out there but I thought I was good at the time sort of this in inflated sense of how good of a musician I was at the time but um hey that works too you can fool yourself into that also but I did really genuinely believe that

it was worth talking about and I wanted to play so you learned how to talk about yourself and network and that's kind of step one and I remember the first gigs that that I played I mean the very first one they were all like battles of the band where you know like basically Play Because three right you had like three song yeah yeah you play like three songs there's like 20 30 bands playing at the time like no one remembers you really but like you're on stage and that's like that's your entrance right like that's kind of your cover letter and you get up there

you play your three songs and you lose nobody remembers you but hey you got there and in the process you had to talk to the person who booked the gig you talk to the people who run the venue um wherever that happens to be now you have a connection in that space so you can go back to them later and and try to get another show and then maybe you can open for someone and and that's just kind of like snowballs into opportunities to play more places so yeah that's like kind of the the first I guess career adj thing that that you had learned

that the other things I guess that come to mind are like once you actually have these shows now you have to Pro promote them so you learned how to make flyers you learn how to you need to make recordings so that people can actually hear you to know whether or not you're worth seeing live um and so you start tinkering around with with recording and and I was like I said making flyers I was I got I had a lot of fun making flyers like I was a designer in a past life too so I I just really like that was probably my favorite thing

making uh making flyers and designing album covers for albums that didn't exist yet and might never exist but I just I just dreaming Up album I love that stuff like t hat was that was fun um anything related to visual design I just really really enjoyed I love it so yeah there a lot of stuff in there and then yeah it's like the logistic once you start like actually playing consistently and then you decide one day hey we're going to go on tour that's like the next level of of learning how to life you like you know you don't play like one or two gigs

locally for a few months and it's like all right we should maybe take this on the road yeah like get a broader audience and but then it's like okay well we need a van we need to coordinate we need to like map this out like if booking one place is hard imagine booking different places in like a chain of cities that have to connect logistically in order to make it feasible to actually do it especially if you're not making money because who was no one was making we were we were spending money like this is not a this is not a sustainable business for the

very a very long time yeah so and if you're lucky ever but um yeah I mean like learning how to like just do the logistics of planning a tour and booking and also just like there's a whole other skill in dealing with with disappointment and loss because so many these clubs would just like cancel on you or things would change like some and like I remember there's one case where we showed up in and the venue had shut down and you serious oh yeah this was in Birmingham I think it was and like nobody knew or told us we we sort of didn't really talked

to the the guy we were booking with for a while and I don't know what I still don't know what happened to be honest with you but we just showed up and there was no one there and so we we reached out to a couple friends and did like a house show just like popped in and played in someone's house so I mean you still have fun made it work but like you just kind of have to like scrapping pivot yeah yes yeah 100 % um so so let's let's dive into some some career tactical stuff right now you know I do want to cover

job search kind of tips and tricks right now just because it's obviously tough um anything you're seeing man um for people who are succeeding or maybe where people are failing to kind of be aware of just any kind of General thoughts from you right now yeah I it's an interesting job market um at least on my side because I'm like my company is actually hiring so hey shout out if you've got a little bit of experience and I'm working on a ux team right now so definitely looking for some full stack folks who who have some experience in there uh in the the frontend world

specifically but uh really anything uh I definitely put my information out there so people can get in touch if they're if they're uh looking um we can chat about that but it's an interesting job market because I feel like it it feels like The Vibes are worse than I think it actually is in some ways yeah um it's I I don't want to like downplay how hard it is for some people because I know there are some people out there who have been looking for a while there people who have been disappointed by rejections and all these things um and in some ways that's just

looking for a job right like that's just the process sometimes and you just have to get through that but um I think it's also because we have been conditioned over the past few years by such a great job market that having to put in any amount of effort sometimes feels like it's a bad job market which yeah it's I don't know like I going back to what we were talking about earlier I started out in a recession like that was when I built my career and so like right I just always thought looking for a job was really hard and I that's how I was

conditioned to think and so like I got you you kind of develop this like scrappiness and like all in this um resilience to a degree which I don't know maybe it's shaped by trauma so it's maybe it's not all great but like it it's helpful sometimes and just to have that kind of mindset and and to be willing to put in that work and not get defeated about it um so yeah I think we're we're not like back in super super hard times we're just not in the hey money's free everything's easy times you like sleep walk through an interview process I kind of gauge

the market because I'm not actively looking but like I gauge the market by how many recruiters are in my inbox each week so I think that's a good way honestly I think it's a great way and you know it went from for a while there it was like several a week right um I just like cold emails from people I'd never heard of and they were just you know throwing crazy stuff out there but like at a certain point when like a lot of the layouts started happening you those emails trickled down and eventually I wasn't getting anything for a while um which is fine

because I barely had time to reply to people so it's just like okay um this is calming I guess and then I I think I tweeted about this recently but I have noticed those emails started coming back in a little bit over the past few past few weeks so it does feel and just kind of like Vibes but it feels like maybe in some Pockets uh things are looking up yeah and I think in honestly across the board I think like a lot of the losses we saw over the past few years come from these they either come from these giant mega huge tech companies

or they came from Venture backed companies that didn't really have any profit and started to lose their Runway because Venture Capital was no longer free um so those were of the two areas where I saw a lot of of big hits but I also saw a lot of more sustainable um businesses who were still actively hiring out like in Tech and I talked to a lot of people who lost jobs in Fang and lost jobs in these startups who ended up getting jobs that these smaller companies that no one had ever really heard of still needed that talent and so the jobs were still out

there you just had to look in different places and I think a lot of people didn't know where to look right um also a lot of people had these expectations too like you if you want a job in Fang or you're leaving a job in Fang and they pay you you know all this this wild amount of money with you know stock options that just seem to go up forever it's kind of hard to say take a step back and be like I want to work at this like manufacturing company that no one's ever heard of and do this logistics thing that it's just there

there's like expectations and then there's just not knowing where to look right and you kind of have to to fight both of those things to a degree to kind of like fight your own ego to a degree uh to readjust the new reality where do you have any oh by the way Jason comes in what's the name of your company uh repo and yeah I said my inbox is about to be flooded um we'll find a way to manage that that feel free to flood my inbox or my DMs and if that if it gets overwhelming I'll just have to ignore you I'm sorry but

I hope that doesn't that then if chance for whatever reason can't find people he'll use me to find people um so uh another where so you work to Shopify yeah now you're working startup can you talk about like how did you find this startup because we talking about I love what you said I think one of the biggest problems people don't know where to look how did you get to repo was it just connections do you have any place you people should look at any suggestions there yeah so repo uh was a it wasn't a recruiter but it was the CEO who had just like

cold emailed me and really funny enough yeah yeah so they were they were looking this was uh this I've been there a little over a year or almost a year how long have I been there it's about a year we'll just say a year and so uh the market had shifted a bit but it hadn't really like hit that that low point that we all felt where layoffs seemed to be happening all the time so people were still actively um recruiting and he had actually he had reached out to me and like I said I was getting so many r ecruiter emails all the time

that I I mostly ignored a lot of them and that's not I have nothing against recruiters it's just that a lot of people don't take the time to read anything about your background they just crazy you just have a lot of keywords that match and so they just reach out with like a a template email or something that hello I I saw that you work on react at so and so company and here's a company that's hiring for Python and like it's like what what are we doing here like what are we like actually learn a little bit about me before reaching out but I

I get it it's a strategy whatever um and but you get overwhelmed with that stuff and you just kind of start tuning a lot of it out the CEO of the company reached out um once I think I ignored him I think he followed up once I probably ignored him again or just forgot about it he he reached out the third time and I said okay f i i i at least looked at the email I looked at what they were doing and it it kind of like triggered something because I had been working on the open source uh world for a while at that

point and I had only really been building tools for other developers and I really enjoy that work but I also felt a little disconnected from what the rest of the world was doing and from the developers I was building for uh what they were building and what they were shipping to real users outside of this world and I started thinking to myself like if I had to build a consumer app now would I even really know what I was doing in a lot of ways like I needed to feel more connected to that world because if you're building tools for developers who are building those

things you need to know how they're building you need to wow excuse me you need to know how they're building you need to know who they're shipping to um what their goals are yeah um just it's just like a different world and you need deadlines like we didn't really have many deadlines it was kind of a luxury but like it was kind of build at y our own pace and take as long as you need to to ship a good API is you know fun but like it's not the real world and so I wanted a little bit more of that that exposure I wanted

a little bit more of that pressure wanted to ship a lot more and a lot faster um and so it was just kind of a natural point for me to start thinking about a pivot I wasn't actively looking but I did entertain the email and read a little bit more about the company I've always been really interested in the no code space I think there's a lot of Unsolved challenges there still um despite all the the plethora of tools out there it's still like a a very wild west feeling kind of space where we're just learning what works and what doesn't yeah um so it's

just like a really interesting problem to me so I I re responded set up a call um and if this shows how little I was looking for a job at the time I actually forgot about our like I just missed the calendar invite and totally ghosted him on the first call and for some reason he's still hired like it it kind of blows my mind I was like they they were really persistent so I'm glad it worked out I ended up having great conversations um there's a lot of alignment there and I just uh yeah took the the risk it wasn't you know going from

this world where like people know your name from all these cool projects that you work work on um like that is really cool don't me wrong um but then when you pivot to a company that they've never heard of because we're not building for them anymore everyone's like why why would you leave the remix team to work on this thing that nobody's heard of well like people have heard of us just not you haven't heard of us because we're not your audience um so you know it just but but it's paid off and it's been it's been a great experience because I got what I

was looking for I got to work on a consumer facing app I got the the chance to like feel like I'm you know it's Messier in in a way and more chaotic in a way but that's wha t I needed that's what I was looking for and I think my experience is um been rewarded for the for the effort I love that as we wrap up here and again I knew this what happened time flies we having fun with friends um can you speak to I I love what you just said about why you wanted to leave and like you had very very specific details

I feel like that's really key and a lot of people just jump without any sort of reason why they're jumping and then they kind of get in trouble can you speak to maybe a Learning lesson because it sounds like you you're very um you're very systematic about going about your latest job search about where you're at right now I mean can you talk about some learnings is that something that you've had to develop have you always been that way uh no that that comes with experience that comes with trial and error um I mean you have to have the luxury to do that tooo like

if you're you have to kind of be real about where you are in your career love that love that so if you are if you're starting out and this is another thing I think has really shifted with um with the market is I think a lot of new grads especially people coming from these top tier CS schools who kind of had this this like career trajectory lined up in their mind where they were going to go work for Fang and and ride out of school and do all these things and like when those things became a lot harder to do um you kind of have

to take a step back and and reassess where you are but based on like the reality at the time and if you are newer in your career people are not going to seek after you as much and you have to deal with that you have and one way to deal with that is just by taking opportunities that that pop up and being willing to take risks and not being so systematic um early in my career I was not at all systematic because my main goal was to get out of waiting tables and serving drinks so um because I just knew that like that was kind

of a dead end uh from what I was loo king for sure um like that wasn't going to fulfill what I was looking for so I needed to get out of that and so the first job that I took that internship I mentioned earlier I think they paid $12 an hour like it was a pretty it was pretty miserable as far as like finances are concerned and I didn't really know where the career would take me like I didn't have a a plan all I knew was it was an opportunity to get out of the industry that I was in and into something that Expos

me to more opportunities and so very not systematic in the beginning and I I don't think I really built out kind of a a map for what a career trajectory look like for many years after that and part of it was just circumstance and part of it was just I didn't know how how to do that yet and at a certain point you you become a little bit more valuable and more experienced and part of it is learning to know your value yeah um and to and so like with of that stuff plus a bunch of time plus changes in the career condition or in

the market conditions you start to learn what actually thinking about your career looks like what having these goals and plans and and trying to be a little more chosy and more systematic I think comes with with all of that with that process yeah I love that I love that all right rapid fire and uh rapid I got four rapid fire questions and I will send you on your way say what oh I said hit me let's go all right first question what do you do so if money were the same and I feel like I know the answer to this based of our conversation but

maybe not if money was the same and you were forced to to to to get out of tech what would you do for your job if money was equal build guitars okay cool sweet you thought I was gonna say play music but it's like I've actually got I thought you gonna say play music plenty of mine our old guitar player he used to build guitars too and asts so yeah I really really dig uh Guitar Building like there one hanging behind me that I I built so um I just i t's it's really fun I would do that all the time if I could I

love it I love it uh next question is um what what do you do outside of work right now that brings you Joy uh I surf occasionally um now that the weather's getting nicer I'm trying to get out there a little bit more often um I have a skateboard that I'll jump on occasionally but I try not to get too nuts with that anymore because I don't like broken bones uh yeah lift at the gym I don't know I I go running a lot so I just like to be very active I I sit behind a computer all day I like to not do that

when I'm same not working same absolutely um Nick Custom Custom ukuleles could be an untapped Market yeah very very cool alternate job uh any Tech any Trends Frameworks libraries articles you're reading about or tinkering with that you find interesting that you want to share uh yeah I just started playing around with a Library called million JS which is a a compiler for react that optimizes for performance okay um and yeah just in general uh I'm really really looking to into High Performance Tools lately so um I think we spent a lot of time building like these really ergonomic tools that feel good to use as

developers and sort of performance took a backseat and I'm really looking to to sort of like readjust and what does that look like and how can I fit that into my existing tool chain so million JS looks like a really cool opportunity to explore that also jQuery jquery's back so of course never goes away uh last question uh the show's called guidance counselor 2.0 because we had guidance counselors in middle school high school and college but now as adults we don't really have anybody to turn to to give career advice what would be your biggest piece of career advice to Young chance um believe in

yourself and and yeah always bet on yourself I love it I love it that's awesome well chance thank you my friend for hanging out stay stay on so I can say bye to you backstage but everybody tune in thank you so much ap preciate it um I'll be live tomorrow with unicorn finders page talking about the market wh what happened to my camera I have no idea oh this is the chance show now a CH show I don't know what happened to my camera my my big camera just went anyways I'm Gonna Be Live tomorrow unicorn finders I'll see youall tomorrow youall have a good

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